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New or worse symptoms post ablation?

by cirenepurzalot
1,786 10 02/21/2020 11:18PM
Last Post by azsteve

Could Nighttime Dehydration Cause Return of AFIB

by Sam
1,525 3 02/18/2020 01:47PM
Last Post by susan.d

changing doctors not easy

by Elizabeth
1,735 26 02/20/2020 03:52AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

What if you don’t remember taking your evening Eliquis dose?

by susan.d
1,945 13 02/19/2020 01:10AM
Last Post by smackman

L-lysine and lemon bioflavonoid supplements?

by SueChef
1,403 1 02/16/2020 09:36PM
Last Post by SueChef

Video Opinion: AFib doesn't cause strokes - Thoughts?

by cirenepurzalot
2,388 25 02/22/2020 11:56PM
Last Post by Jackie

Eliquis 2.5mg dosing

by cirenepurzalot
2,310 17 02/21/2020 01:37AM
Last Post by Carey

What are you still taking post ablation?

by keeferbdeefer
1,728 7 02/22/2020 11:56PM
Last Post by smackman

Saw my EP today

by Elizabeth
1,841 14 02/15/2020 04:46PM
Last Post by JP

Scaring me with irreversible hearing loss vs taking Prednisone?

by SueChef
1,821 11 02/13/2020 06:33PM
Last Post by SueChef

Change of Position driving onset of Afib activity

by Ghost
2,016 12 02/18/2020 01:34PM
Last Post by Ghost

Pre-Existing Clause (Insurance Question)

by cirenepurzalot
1,760 23 02/14/2020 06:39AM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

My ablation Doc (or why is Dr. Natale the only name I see?)

by pmcaz
1,838 17 02/18/2020 06:41PM
Last Post by Fibrillator

Questions I have about my first a-fib episode & hospitalization

by SueChef
1,678 6 02/12/2020 07:58AM
Last Post by SueChef

Strophanthus herb

by californiagal
1,501 5 02/11/2020 03:43PM
Last Post by Carey

CoQ10 excitatory?

by Carola
1,805 9 10/21/2020 08:22PM
Last Post by NotLyingAboutMyAfib

Depression meds & afib

by californiagal
1,649 16 02/17/2020 06:34AM
Last Post by californiagal

Afib before ablation procedure

by cirenepurzalot
1,611 5 02/10/2020 11:33AM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

2nd Cryoablation Friday...in and out in 8hrs

by pmcaz
1,617 6 02/10/2020 06:02AM
Last Post by Carey

question about ablation

by Barbcat
1,742 10 02/10/2020 05:35AM
Last Post by Barbcat

When are regular ectopics/palpitations considered to be intrusive?

by DavrosT
1,683 11 07/04/2020 09:50PM
Last Post by Fibrillator

Cardioversion has failed

by Elizabeth
1,901 24 02/09/2020 02:21AM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Has anyone experienced really low HR post ablation?

by susan.d
1,688 7 02/09/2020 02:24PM
Last Post by susan.d

Dr. Pappone in Milan

by Gill
1,485 4 02/07/2020 02:38PM
Last Post by Barry G.

Need a colonoscopy but on Eliquis

by smackman
1,851 12 02/08/2020 04:28AM
Last Post by rocketritch

Sibling history of stroke confers elevated risk in AF

by susan.d
1,352 1 02/06/2020 04:32PM
Last Post by susan.d

New-onset ventricular arrhythmias post radiofrequency catheter ablation for atrial fibrillation

by susan.d
1,513 4 02/06/2020 06:58PM
Last Post by Carey

Undesired LAA work

by safib
1,741 14 02/08/2020 01:11PM
Last Post by AB Page

TIA or Aural Migraine.....Sleepless in the Midwest.....

by lds001
1,721 19 02/22/2020 01:44PM
Last Post by AB Page

Ablation/Pace-maker question

by cirenepurzalot
1,703 16 05/02/2020 03:27PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

What is "atypical atrial flutter?"

by Carola
1,782 7 02/27/2020 12:52AM
Last Post by Ritva

The cardiogastric interaction

by ben saif
1,699 4 02/05/2020 09:39PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Diltiazem (Cardizem) - Thoughts/Experiences

by cirenepurzalot
2,111 19 02/14/2020 04:52PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Fast heart beat in early morning - thyroid issues?

by Carola
1,750 10 02/09/2020 08:58PM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Dr John Day's take on Vit D and afib.

by colindo
1,876 2 02/04/2020 07:43PM
Last Post by Elizabeth

eliqis & nitric oxide

by Jake
1,896 9 02/06/2020 06:29PM
Last Post by Jake

Xeralto

by Elizabeth
1,667 4 02/13/2020 12:41AM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Trigger for Afib

by lds001
1,991 10 05/31/2020 01:52PM
Last Post by CC66

A-fib Alerts

by gadawgfan
1,557 3 02/02/2020 01:29PM
Last Post by allofus

A curiosity....

by cirenepurzalot
2,625 32 02/10/2020 03:05PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Ablation - Your experiences?

by cirenepurzalot
2,098 17 02/05/2020 01:59PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Cardioversion Failed

by Erin
1,503 3 02/01/2020 02:54AM
Last Post by Erin

Suggestions for failed cardioversion and meds?

by Ritva
1,479 4 02/01/2020 02:29PM
Last Post by Ritva

Cardiologists/EPs that recognize/treat VAGAL AF?

by cirenepurzalot
1,566 10 02/01/2020 02:40AM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Massachusetts EP who uses ziopatch?

by Dinodog
1,456 3 01/31/2020 01:55AM
Last Post by Dinodog

Apple Watch - inconclusive

by allofus
1,711 7 02/01/2020 01:41AM
Last Post by susan.d

Flecainide - hospital stay necessary?

by cirenepurzalot
1,607 12 02/05/2020 02:27AM
Last Post by susan.d

Dr Natale - Thoughts & Experiences?

by cirenepurzalot
2,498 31 02/07/2020 06:05PM
Last Post by susan.d

Multaq

by cirenepurzalot
1,610 10 02/03/2020 05:29PM
Last Post by MichaelW

Carvedilol (Coreg) for blood pressure control

by Carola
1,473 2 01/28/2020 11:01PM
Last Post by Carey

How much bleeding can one expect while on Eliquis?

by susan.d
1,477 4 01/29/2020 12:36AM
Last Post by Carey

Filter to prevent stroke

by Brian_og
1,521 6 01/30/2020 12:35AM
Last Post by Carey

Spine issues cause arrhythmias?

by zoeysky2004
1,749 9 02/02/2020 04:21PM
Last Post by Carey

One mans route to being AF free

by Barry G.
2,733 22 02/20/2020 09:48PM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Ectopics after ablation

by bkimura
1,993 14 01/27/2020 04:12PM
Last Post by susan.d

LDL and AF. Higher LDL helps?

by Brian_og
1,387 1 01/24/2020 12:54PM
Last Post by Brian_og

Prolon / Fasting Mimicking Diet and AFib

by MarkF786
1,566 2 01/24/2020 01:05PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Quitting smoking and palpitations

by tango232
1,289 1 01/24/2020 06:52AM
Last Post by tango232

Dealing with stress

by rocketritch
1,961 7 02/04/2020 12:00PM
Last Post by strongHeart

How to read a 6 lead EKG (Kardia 6L)

by cirenepurzalot
6,632 11 01/23/2020 04:25PM
Last Post by wolfpack

Cryoballoon Ablation

by cirenepurzalot
1,849 9 01/23/2020 01:38PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Safe to take nattokinase and metropolol ER succinate the same day?

by cirenepurzalot
1,473 5 01/21/2020 08:12AM
Last Post by Joe

How to Post an EKG

by lds001
1,549 6 01/20/2020 07:03PM
Last Post by Shannon

test results

by Elizabeth
2,006 7 01/20/2020 01:06AM
Last Post by Elizabeth

How to lower beats per minute during AFIB

by cirenepurzalot
2,221 23 01/31/2020 01:36AM
Last Post by Carey

Stats and questions

by Pompon
1,683 13 01/25/2020 09:35PM
Last Post by Pompon

Does vit K2 promote blood clotting?

by cirenepurzalot
1,633 3 01/20/2020 07:52PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

nattokinase or natto - thoughts?

by cirenepurzalot
1,810 12 01/23/2020 08:09PM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Cardioversion tomorrow

by Elizabeth
2,997 43 01/22/2020 05:10PM
Last Post by susan.d

Pradaxa - blood thinner

by Carola
1,764 14 01/23/2020 06:17PM
Last Post by Carey

Blood pooling/clotting in the heart during afib

by cirenepurzalot
1,654 3 01/17/2020 03:12AM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Afib and Ketogenic Diet

by cirenepurzalot
2,699 18 01/18/2020 05:55AM
Last Post by Joe

Is this mapping system really new?

by Gill
1,513 2 01/14/2020 03:19PM
Last Post by Carey

Autonomic ganglia in heart: implications for Afib and Ablation

by Daisy
1,416 2 01/14/2020 01:05AM
Last Post by susan.d

CO Q 10 supplements

by Sunshine13
1,410 2 01/14/2020 02:23AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

List of top tier RFA EP's

by Driver
1,407 1 01/13/2020 05:06PM
Last Post by Driver

Natural - non- drug - blood thinners

by Carola
2,044 4 01/13/2020 01:24PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Update on the 13 Year Anniversary Update, Update

by Ken
1,934 3 01/13/2020 03:06PM
Last Post by Ken

Well my ablation success didn’t last long :-(

by susan.d
1,910 8 01/29/2020 06:14PM
Last Post by merri

Determining which cells to ablate

by Ghost
1,679 9 01/23/2020 09:46PM
Last Post by wolfpack

Savaysa - blood thinner

by Carola
1,637 13 01/18/2020 07:10AM
Last Post by The Anti-Fib

EKG P Wave Fading Away

by ggheld
1,645 6 01/11/2020 03:33PM
Last Post by ggheld

Marshall vein

by Pompon
1,496 1 01/10/2020 08:46AM
Last Post by Pompon

George N

by Elizabeth
1,632 11 01/12/2020 02:35AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Stopping Eliquis

by Jons
1,743 6 01/10/2020 08:36AM
Last Post by Pompon

Looking like 2nd ablation failed...

by MarkF786
1,618 6 01/10/2020 03:24AM
Last Post by Fibrillator

pvc's and fish oil

by susan.d
2,340 17 01/12/2020 05:48PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

More info re Afib elimination via calcium and vitamin D control without ablation

by SteveCarr
1,957 3 01/06/2020 05:26PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Anorexia

by GregH
2,463 10 01/06/2020 01:59AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Heart rate speeds up about 3 AM

by Carola
1,846 12 01/11/2020 05:31AM
Last Post by Driver

Dramatic increase in Afib in weeks following Colonoscopy

by JoeM
1,721 11 01/06/2020 08:19PM
Last Post by Jackie

Silverscripts cost for NOAC jumps

by smackman
1,598 4 01/04/2020 05:37AM
Last Post by LarryG

Ectopic beats & mouth breathing

by DavrosT
2,027 12 01/04/2020 06:18PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

When you're ill/vomiting/sniffling/coughing etc

by SueChef
1,676 7 01/04/2020 08:06PM
Last Post by rocketritch

Can either Co-Q-19, Crestor or fish oil capsules trigger PVCs?

by susan.d
2,000 10 01/05/2020 07:07AM
Last Post by susan.d

Apple iWatch for ekgs is not perfect

by susan.d
1,789 11 01/03/2020 04:08AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

how to diplomatically handle being followed by 2 drs post ablation

by Madeline
1,662 4 12/31/2019 03:39AM
Last Post by rocketritch

fOUND ANOTHER ONE

by peggyM
2,073 11 12/30/2019 12:02PM
Last Post by mwcf

Rash/itchy

by Elizabeth
2,759 43 01/05/2020 05:36AM
Last Post by Carey

blood pressure

by whitehaven
1,799 10 12/27/2019 03:35PM
Last Post by Carey

Generic Eliquis

by LarryG
2,435 15 12/26/2019 09:37PM
Last Post by smackman

Kardia choice

by windyshores
1,786 8 12/24/2019 10:23PM
Last Post by susan.d

not new, but fast afib happening more often

by windyshores
2,093 7 12/22/2019 09:09PM
Last Post by windyshores

Canine ablation?

by wolfpack
1,838 3 12/22/2019 06:35AM
Last Post by lds001

Are we more susceptible to adrenergic ectopics after ablation?

by keeferbdeefer
3,269 35 01/10/2020 01:42AM
Last Post by Carey

Ablation causing surface changes to atria increasing chances of pooling and clots?!

by mwcf
1,740 12 12/21/2019 02:23AM
Last Post by wolfpack

3 month Natale post ablation update

by susan.d
1,916 9 12/23/2019 07:25PM
Last Post by samharrison

ReMag thoughts?

by cirenepurzalot
2,122 5 12/19/2019 05:16PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

angstrom magnesium

by cirenepurzalot
1,505 1 12/19/2019 04:43AM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

The effects of blue light to heart and AF

by susan.d
1,500 1 12/19/2019 03:24AM
Last Post by susan.d

Upper abdomen pressure when in AF - What is it?

by cirenepurzalot
1,616 5 12/27/2019 02:03PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Eliquis + aspirin?

by anneh
1,638 13 12/20/2019 05:31PM
Last Post by Daisy

Where do you send a donation to support...

by tibbar
1,531 5 12/22/2019 01:11PM
Last Post by peggyM

Update on the 13 Year Anniversary Update

by Ken
1,460 1 12/16/2019 03:24PM
Last Post by Ken

Gut Consciousness/Heart Consciousness

by wwoofbum
1,590 3 12/15/2019 03:37PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

excellent health even in AF

by Elizabeth
1,748 12 12/22/2019 09:20PM
Last Post by katesshadow

Body weight exercises post ablation

by bkimura
1,652 6 12/15/2019 01:59AM
Last Post by wolfpack

Ectopics one week after afib

by keeferbdeefer
1,731 18 12/20/2019 06:19PM
Last Post by keeferbdeefer

Red eye

by Elizabeth
1,549 8 12/14/2019 01:59AM
Last Post by Carey

Recent Ablation Worries

by keeferbdeefer
1,892 11 12/21/2019 11:36AM
Last Post by libby

new EP

by Elizabeth
1,741 9 12/14/2019 02:47PM
Last Post by merri

CABANA trail

by Joe
1,606 1 12/09/2019 08:58PM
Last Post by Joe

Shannon, why has Steve Carr's post been shifted to general health?

by colindo
2,213 24 12/14/2019 01:06PM
Last Post by hwkmn05

So do I wait it out???

by SueChef
2,042 10 12/08/2019 10:30PM
Last Post by SueChef

Respiratory cycle-dependent atrial tachycardia

by briar
1,677 8 12/08/2019 10:15PM
Last Post by The Anti-Fib

KardiaMobile 6L - Detect source of Afib?

by cirenepurzalot
1,425 5 12/07/2019 04:06PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot
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Afib elimination via calcium and vitamin D control without ablation

by SteveCarr
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NSAIDs with a fib

by Sunshine13
1,726 14 12/09/2019 01:00PM
Last Post by hwkmn05

Eliquis

by Elizabeth
1,855 10 12/31/2019 03:26PM
Last Post by tibbar

Arrhythmia Recurrence Post Ablation

by JAYHAWK
1,883 15 12/11/2019 04:33AM
Last Post by susan.d

CHAD and Adult congenital.. and QT

by bettylou4488
1,577 5 12/05/2019 10:13PM
Last Post by bettylou4488

New member needs support, please

by cile
1,932 6 06/18/2021 09:59AM
Last Post by rocketritch

TEE review and A wave question/FLX release date

by ron
1,667 4 12/29/2019 07:02PM
Last Post by McHale

Picking my poison

by merri
1,873 14 12/05/2019 05:41AM
Last Post by Carey

Facial Recognition software to detect AF

by Dean
1,638 3 11/30/2019 03:20AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Small hard spot near catheter insertion?

by bkimura
1,468 5 11/30/2019 05:55PM
Last Post by ln108

Staying out in front of afib?

by bkimura
2,109 21 12/06/2019 02:55PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Post Natale ablation

by Carola
2,017 8 11/29/2019 06:22PM
Last Post by Jackie

Magnesium, thyroid, eliquis and stuff

by Elizabeth
1,878 17 11/30/2019 02:42AM
Last Post by Elizabeth

Acid Reflux related to Afib?

by johnnyS
2,317 18 12/26/2019 07:12PM
Last Post by johnnyS

13 Year Anniversary Update

by Ken
1,914 7 12/02/2019 03:13PM
Last Post by Ken

Eliquis

by Elizabeth
1,981 10 11/28/2019 12:21AM
Last Post by susan.d

Has anyone experienced one’s heart stopping after an ablation?

by susan.d
1,894 18 11/27/2019 08:32PM
Last Post by Carey

Review my ablation report?

by bkimura
1,469 2 11/23/2019 04:39PM
Last Post by Carey

GI surgery after an ablation?

by susan.d
1,349 2 11/23/2019 01:04AM
Last Post by Carey

5 Case Studies - Heart Repair and Lactate Lowering.

by Todd
1,501 5 11/24/2019 04:32PM
Last Post by Carey

Post-Ablation Protocol for Antiarrhythmic Drugs?

by MarkF786
1,395 1 11/21/2019 10:24AM
Last Post by MarkF786

heartrate in AF

by Elizabeth
1,562 5 11/21/2019 02:20AM
Last Post by Carey

Riordan Clinic

by cirenepurzalot
1,424 1 11/20/2019 06:13PM
Last Post by cirenepurzalot

Help interpreting echocardiogram

by Zb3
1,704 5 11/20/2019 05:26AM
Last Post by Carey

Vagal AF

by cirenepurzalot
2,359 26 12/10/2019 08:51PM
Last Post by Carey

Experiences with Multaq?

by Bpilgrim
2,172 8 12/02/2019 07:18PM
Last Post by MichaelW

more AF episodes

by Elizabeth
1,821 11 11/23/2019 03:22AM
Last Post by wolfpack

Tingling slightly puffy lips one liquid?

by Callydex
1,595 5 11/15/2019 04:13PM
Last Post by pamelaread

Minoxidil

by Dinodog
1,518 4 11/15/2019 11:33AM
Last Post by Dinodog

AF and low carb diet

by susan.d
1,801 5 11/14/2019 12:20PM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Positive Stories and Outcomes

by pgrove1
1,941 6 11/16/2019 02:03AM
Last Post by wolfpack

Looking for advice about exercise post-ablation

by montos
1,710 5 11/21/2019 05:39AM
Last Post by rocketritch

Afib and Chronic Fatigue

by DavrosT
1,798 3 11/10/2019 10:45AM
Last Post by DavrosT

Afib and Electric blankets/pads

by greyhound gal
4,835 10 11/09/2019 02:02PM
Last Post by ggheld

Afib and Migraine Medication

by katesshadow
1,445 2 11/06/2019 10:45PM
Last Post by Carey

Vitamin K2 and blood thinners

by colindo
1,982 7 11/13/2019 08:46PM
Last Post by ln108

anticoagulants: Food, herbal medicines and drug interactions

by susan.d
1,742 4 11/08/2019 01:55PM
Last Post by susan.d

My GERD Cure

by johnnyS
2,780 17 11/22/2019 09:33PM
Last Post by johnnyS

ER visit, increase in meds,

by SueChef
2,175 11 11/14/2019 04:07PM
Last Post by susan.d

It’s Official

by pgrove1
3,333 34 11/06/2019 06:24PM
Last Post by susan.d

13 Year Anniversary

by Ken
2,278 16 11/15/2019 01:19PM
Last Post by pgrove1

I wouldn't give you the time of day

by wwoofbum
1,997 4 11/10/2019 02:04PM
Last Post by JoyWin

Eliquis and fish oil

by susan.d
1,840 3 10/30/2019 05:15AM
Last Post by Carey

left appendage ablations

by pamela
2,228 18 11/21/2019 05:44AM
Last Post by ron

The heart, stomach connection

by wwoofbum
2,993 23 11/13/2019 07:50PM
Last Post by Ghost

3 months in

by rocketritch
2,152 11 10/31/2019 01:23PM
Last Post by Patti Starr

HR post ablation, resting and maximum

by buckywood
2,120 9 10/26/2019 08:53PM
Last Post by Carey

Algorithm for OAC post ablation

by buckywood
1,804 7 10/22/2019 12:27PM
Last Post by buckywood

Has any experienced a feeling of swelling in the face while taking metoprolol

by Joyce222
1,702 3 10/19/2019 11:29AM
Last Post by The Anti-Fib

skipped beats

by jennifer92151
2,173 9 10/21/2019 06:45PM
Last Post by jennifer92151

High Troponin Levels

by JoyWin
1,912 8 01/25/2020 04:19PM
Last Post by zoeysky2004

Afib attack

by Lenlec
2,439 12 11/01/2019 03:28AM
Last Post by susan.d

right bundle branch block

by anneh
1,926 11 10/15/2019 02:54AM
Last Post by anneh

acupuncture

by Barbcat
1,899 10 11/18/2019 06:27PM
Last Post by Jeremy

which magnesium supplement is best?

by anneh
2,784 19 11/04/2019 08:35PM
Last Post by katesshadow

Is it worth it to get the Watchman? And is there a better version coming out?

by tobherd
4,183 51 11/04/2019 03:11AM
Last Post by tobherd

Afrin - Severe Congestion

by PastorKevin
1,929 8 12/11/2019 12:41AM
Last Post by Carey

Normal heart rate of 45 - given beta blocker for afib?

by Joyce222
2,028 9 10/16/2019 01:58AM
Last Post by LarryG

Frequent short episodes

by pgrove1
2,318 17 10/21/2019 03:29AM
Last Post by Carey

The wonderful Dr. Natale

by peterA80
1,889 4 11/21/2019 04:15AM
Last Post by IDbill

Magnesium options

by SueChef
1,820 5 10/17/2019 01:59AM
Last Post by GeorgeN

Drug Induced AF .gov article

by susan.d
1,857 5 10/12/2019 01:06AM
Last Post by susan.d

Long overdue report on Feb ablation with Dr. Natale

by kbog
2,080 5 10/13/2019 05:57AM
Last Post by susan.d

Colonoscopy Miralax/Dulcolax Vs Golytely

by Patrick
2,107 13 11/12/2019 03:00AM
Last Post by tvanslooten

PVC's - causes

by LSulka
2,293 23 12/26/2019 06:18PM
Last Post by azsteve

Another point of view on what to expect after an ablation

by susan.d
1,903 1 10/07/2019 11:42AM
Last Post by susan.d

Ramipril and palpitations/ectopics

by DavrosT
1,911 8 10/18/2019 12:21PM
Last Post by gerrya

Marine Omega-3 Supplements May Lower CVD Risk

by JoyWin
1,777 3 10/07/2019 12:57PM
Last Post by ggheld

who had PVC's after an ablation and was it permanent?

by susan.d
4,367 31 10/09/2019 03:14AM
Last Post by MissSunshine

2 week post ablation doctor visit.

by susan.d
1,901 5 10/03/2019 06:19PM
Last Post by susan.d

Whole 30 anyone? Might sound silly but have some questions reg. nutrition

by LaDonna
1,992 7 10/06/2019 09:54PM
Last Post by Patti Starr

Zantac recall

by susan.d
1,884 10 10/03/2019 04:33PM
Last Post by susan.d

Inverted ecg waves, is this typical for the blanking period?

by susan.d
1,904 9 09/30/2019 12:52AM
Last Post by susan.d

Alternative AntiCoagulation to Warfarin/NOAC's

by The Anti-Fib
4,810 37 10/17/2019 09:59PM
Last Post by Carey