Excellent YouTube info on everything about natto food especially if you are a newbie wanting to try it. I have been eating it since 2005. Deanby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
G'day Joe, Nattokinase has sort of come to a dead end. Big pharma can't make money out of it as it is a "natural" product so there is no money around for large scale studies of it. We can only rely on very small scale studies and here say which is not good enough. Personally I won't touch nattokinase supplements as I don't trust the different manufactures of it.by Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Hi Que I assume your talking about nattokinase supplements? I have been eating natto food since early 2005. I have eaten 50g every second day since then. I had a blood test just before I started eating natto in 2005 so I can give you a before and after look at my platelets over 18 yrs as follows: 2005…. 165…...Range 150 - 400 2021…. 163 Other blood tests over that time showed the sameby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Well, it’s now 14 months since my Jack Russell dog “Tim” was given 1 to 3 months to live in September 2021. You can see the detailed 1st post bottom of this page. The vet examined him in October this year and his tumors have shrunk to less than half the original size and importantly no new tumors have formed. The vets are now totally bamboozled and shaking their heads in astonishment. One of tby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Lance and Pam, I have been giving Tim the frozen natto, 15g or a heaped teaspoon full every morning. This is approx. a third of a 50g frozen pack of natto. The dogs in the research paper were all small dogs like Tim and were given 10g natto. If you have a bigger dog I suppose you would give more but as there is no research it is up to you to decide. Lance, you are lucky to access the fresh unby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Thought I would share this with you as many of you have pet dogs. My dog “Tim”, a Jack Russell X Corgi was diagnosed with terminal acute Lymphoma last September and given 1 to 3 months to live. He was too old for chemo so was put on low dose Cortisone every second day for inflammation and to make him comfortable. As I am a diligent natto eater I remembered that the Japanese regularly give nby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
I haven't posted for a while. For those of you like me and Colindo who regularly eat the Japanese fermented soyabean called natto this is some of the latest research into natto (the food NOT nattokinase!). Looks like Scientists are now taking natto seriously with the amount of new research. Natto is high in Polyamines like Spermidine and Spermine so looks like they are trying to increaseby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
I'm still going strong after 16 years of natto food. No afib at all since then and very few PAC'S. Just what the average person experiences. Colin and I are now convinced we have found out why natto food works for us. It dovetails in with Prof. Svetlana Reilly of Oxford Uni versity who is currently studying the effects of Calcitonin in the atria. Calcitonin is Vit K dependent and sixby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Lance, Don't know anything about peptide BPC-157 and I assume you won't to take it for gastrointestinal problems like reflux? I suffered for years from reflux and finally brought it under control with the Japanese fermented soy beans food called natto. It contains many different healing peptides and I believe this has put my reflux into remission. Soybean Bioactive Peptides and Tby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
NotLying, I too have long suspected that a lack of autophagy is behind PAF. A bit speculative on my part but I posted this in the General Health Forum a while back: “The bioactive components in fermented soy products include the fibrinolytic enzyme, nattokinase (in natto), and polyamine. The polyamine spermidine was previously found to have cardioprotective effects, with intake associateby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Mike, Yeah, a bit of alternative thinking. Keeps the forum interesting Forster area was the first to have the massive bush fires late last year. One started up in the center of town only kilometer from my house. A bit disconcerting to see the huge water bombing jets flying a couple of hundred feet over your house. Have alot of big old gum trees around me so that was a bit of worry but all endby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Colin, Very interesting study as a large population (93,000) was studied over a long period. I found this very interesting: “The bioactive components in fermented soy products include the fibrinolytic enzyme, nattokinase (in natto), and polyamine. The polyamine spermidine was previously found to have cardioprotective effects, with intake associated with reduced morality due to heart failurby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Steve, Wonderfully structured research into PAF and an absolute credit to you. This will certainly help many afibbers who want to arrest their PAF by natural means and who are hesitant to go down the antiarrythmic drug / ablation route. As you know I am still afib free (no ablation) after 15yrs by religously eating 50g natto food every second day. I have a good diet and don't take anyby Dean - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Pompon, I started on PPI's (omeprazole “Losec”) in 2002 and was on them until 2010. It was ridiculous to take them for this long but I was scarred afib would return if I didn't. I also greatly modified my diet and cut out all those things they say caused reflux and in early 2005 started eating natto food every second day which is a very strong probiotic amongst other things. Had I knby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
This is one of the latest PubMed research papers published in 2018 on Nattokinase and is very thorough and detailed. The research into Nattokinase is now looking very promising. Nattokinase: A Promising Alternative in Prevention and Treatment of Cardiovascular Diseases “Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the leading cause of death in the world and our approach to the control and management ofby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Jackie, another informative post. By the way I have still been eating natto food for 14yrs since you first posted about nattokinase early 2005. In that time I have eaten my way through 2,548 packets of natto food or 127 kilos!! My reward is no afib in that time. I do agree with Carey that more large studies need to be done on nattokinase to find out what we are actually dealing with here. Untiby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
G'day PC, Good to hear from you again. Your 70 now! Maybe you need to put some elasticity back into those old arteries of yours by eating natto food again every 2nd day? (Some recent natto food studies): I'm still afib free after 15yrs of eating natto food every 2nd day. Finally convinced another afibber “Colindo” or Colin to start on natto food. He went from several longby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
JohnnyS, I was the same as you with GERD issues and on PPI's (omeprazole) for many years. I started eating the fermented soy, natto food (NOT Nattokinase the supplement) in 2005 after reading Jackie's research and it totally cured my GERD so I stopped the PPI's completely. The Bascillus Subtillus bacteria in the natto food also reduces H Pylori. There is five unusual antibioticby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
G'day Jackie, Those Conference links you put up on Nattokinase in April 2005 brought the memories flooding back! Great research times for all of us back then. Thanks to you and that Conference post that's when I started eating natto food every second day. Have now been afib free ever since. As you know I tried to get other afibbers to seriously try natto food but after all this timeby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jackie, Is this the ongoing major clinical trial for nattokinase that you have mentioned previously or is there another one? Deanby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Finally, after all these years (since 2005) someone has taken natto food seriously and so far is successful. I hope more afibbers will now try it. I have been researching natto food trying to find out what ingredients are responsible for my and Colin's success. The stand out one is the isoflavone Genistein which natto contains a large quantity of. As you will see below Genistein is basicaby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
That latest research by NattoPhama dovetails nicely with the latest large study research into natto food which is very high in K2 and its effect on arterial stiffness and CVD. As I eat natto food every second day I have a very high intake of K2. Dean Dietary soy and natto intake and cardiovascular disease mortality in Japanese adults: the Takayama study. Abstract BACKGROUND: Whetherby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Jackie and Carey , I think Colin was referring to this study about nattokinase: Deanby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
One of the things in the natto food that I am certain has kept my afib at bay for 14yrs is the large amount of the phytoestrogen Genistein it contains. If you google Genistein and Ion Channels there is a fair amount of research going on about Genistein and how it alters the cardiac ion channels. Genistein has even been discussed as a possible antiarrhythmic drug by researchers. This is an extby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Natto food V's Nattokinase: Which is best? With stroke and afib being the current topic on the forum (and bordering on the hysterical from some posters). I thought I would post this excellent article from Dr John Day, an EP and former President of the Heart Rhythm Society of the US who eats natto food daily. This is a very down to earth discussion on the pro's and con's of afby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Yes, still going strong. Still eating my natto food for breakfast every second day for last 13 years and still afib free with quiet heart (so far!!). The old adage still applies to afib - “if you you've had it you've got it.” - ablation or not. Had to go on blood pressure meds (only meds I take) last September after seeing my EP after 14 years due to being too naughty with beer and rby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Some afibbers seem to be a bit confused between the natto food and the nattokinase supplement. Some are abbreviating nattokinase to "natto" adding to the confusion. I think to clarify the situation when we are talking about the actual natto food we should always add the "food" onto the end of natto. For example, Elizabeth's post above states: "Shannon said thatby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Roel, I know there is dried natto and I believe it is standard rations for Japanese Commando's. I have never tried it though. Don't know if it would be the same as fresh or frozen natto. Give it a try? Deanby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks all for the uplifting comments! Joe I'm at Forster NSW. If you can get the fresh natto that's the best. The best frozen natto is the organic one in the green packaging but all the others are OK. Jackie If it wasn't for your research highlighting natto I would probably be lined up for my 2nd or 3rd ablation like most here. Colin Never tried Kefir but seem's tby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM
I first posted on afibbers.org in early 2003. For what its worth this is my complete history. LAF History I am a 61 year old Australian male. I have now been afib free for 13 years. First trip to the ER was in 1996 with SVT. Ectopic beats gradually increased after that (didn't know what they were back then). First AF attack in 1999 that lasted for 18hours. Called an ambulance and thby Dean - AFIBBERS FORUM