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J. Pisano
Tinnitus October 24, 2003 05:55AM |
Hello all,
Just a quick polling question... Do any of you experience the occasional bout of tinnitus. My readings, sparked from the conference room research about copper has led to an understanding of the results of zinc deficiency and tinnitus..... I would like to know if any of you experience this from time to time...
Joe
Just a quick polling question... Do any of you experience the occasional bout of tinnitus. My readings, sparked from the conference room research about copper has led to an understanding of the results of zinc deficiency and tinnitus..... I would like to know if any of you experience this from time to time...
Joe
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Bill B
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 06:51AM |
Joe,
I have had tinnitus since I was 21. It started after I was taking a supha drug for two weeks and it never went away. I also have another type of tinnitus that sounds more like a running engine. I used to look out the window to see if there was a truck outside! This one comes and goes. That worried me a bit, but I had an MRI, which showed I was fine.
For me, tinnitus is annoying but harmless. I don't think about it much. In fact, I use it when I meditate. I was told reducing salt-intake could reduce it. It didn't work for me.
BillB
48;A;2000
I have had tinnitus since I was 21. It started after I was taking a supha drug for two weeks and it never went away. I also have another type of tinnitus that sounds more like a running engine. I used to look out the window to see if there was a truck outside! This one comes and goes. That worried me a bit, but I had an MRI, which showed I was fine.
For me, tinnitus is annoying but harmless. I don't think about it much. In fact, I use it when I meditate. I was told reducing salt-intake could reduce it. It didn't work for me.
BillB
48;A;2000
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Richard
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 07:11AM |
Joe,
I have experienced it from time to time, and my hearing isn't what it used to be either, but my zinc levels were normal. Strangely though, when I did the zinc challenge, where you hold a solution in your mouth to determine a deficiency, I couldn't taste it, and if my zinc levels were normal, I should be able to. That was back in April, however, and my other test was in July. Maybe the levels built back up.
Richard
I have experienced it from time to time, and my hearing isn't what it used to be either, but my zinc levels were normal. Strangely though, when I did the zinc challenge, where you hold a solution in your mouth to determine a deficiency, I couldn't taste it, and if my zinc levels were normal, I should be able to. That was back in April, however, and my other test was in July. Maybe the levels built back up.
Richard
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Carol
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 07:34AM |
Yes, I have had tinnitus for many years. It has become part of me. I rarely notice it.
I have had poor hearing since I was a child, which I am told contributed to the stress that I endured growing up in a well- to - do highly dysfunctional family. My hearing problem went undetected until about ten years ago (why didn't my parents notice it??!!), when an exam at Mass Eye and Ear showed it was a condition of long standing.
Carol
I have had poor hearing since I was a child, which I am told contributed to the stress that I endured growing up in a well- to - do highly dysfunctional family. My hearing problem went undetected until about ten years ago (why didn't my parents notice it??!!), when an exam at Mass Eye and Ear showed it was a condition of long standing.
Carol
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Fran
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 09:13AM |
Bill
Thats interesting about your tinnitus being tied in with sulpha drugs. My sister was on sulphasalazine and got very distressed with tinnitus. Her Dr's never made the connection. She has since stopped them due to the cancer, but still gets tinnitus from time to time.
I used to get it periodically. Would sulpha drugs equate to an excess of sulphur in the diet? I know this would go against Richards regime - but the more I compare our differences with the same symptoms I think we are totally two ends of the same spectrum
Fran
Thats interesting about your tinnitus being tied in with sulpha drugs. My sister was on sulphasalazine and got very distressed with tinnitus. Her Dr's never made the connection. She has since stopped them due to the cancer, but still gets tinnitus from time to time.
I used to get it periodically. Would sulpha drugs equate to an excess of sulphur in the diet? I know this would go against Richards regime - but the more I compare our differences with the same symptoms I think we are totally two ends of the same spectrum
Fran
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J. Pisano
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 09:54AM |
Fran,
It is interesting that sulphur has been shown to help with tinnitus while sulfa drugs have shown to cause a problem....and their made out of sulphur! Go figure... Perhaps it's the actually ALPHA LIPOIC ACID which helps with the tinnitus, it's sometimes known as thioctic acid because of it's sulphur component.. I know tha tAlpha Lipoic Acid helps with tinnitus...especially for those that have it caused by strong antibiotics....perhaps the sulfa drugs focus on concentratic too much of the wrong thing.... don't know....
Joe
It is interesting that sulphur has been shown to help with tinnitus while sulfa drugs have shown to cause a problem....and their made out of sulphur! Go figure... Perhaps it's the actually ALPHA LIPOIC ACID which helps with the tinnitus, it's sometimes known as thioctic acid because of it's sulphur component.. I know tha tAlpha Lipoic Acid helps with tinnitus...especially for those that have it caused by strong antibiotics....perhaps the sulfa drugs focus on concentratic too much of the wrong thing.... don't know....
Joe
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Fran
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 11:30AM |
Joe
This may be the answer from the Linus Pauling Institute
[lpi.oregonstate.edu]
In humans, molybdenum is known to function as a cofactor for three enzymes. Sulfite oxidase catalyzes the transformation of sulfite to sulfate, a reaction that is necessary for the metabolism of sulfur-containing amino acids, such as cysteine.
Maybe sulpha drugs are sulphites, like the additives to which I know I cannot take.
Fran
This may be the answer from the Linus Pauling Institute
[lpi.oregonstate.edu]
In humans, molybdenum is known to function as a cofactor for three enzymes. Sulfite oxidase catalyzes the transformation of sulfite to sulfate, a reaction that is necessary for the metabolism of sulfur-containing amino acids, such as cysteine.
Maybe sulpha drugs are sulphites, like the additives to which I know I cannot take.
Fran
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Richard
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 11:33AM |
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Fran
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 11:41AM |
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kjell
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 01:03PM |
Hi there, I too have tinnitus, have had it for 6-7 years it came along a year before my AF, I had I believe a virus that went on my balance nerve,so I had vertigo and tinnitus, vertigo went away but tinnitus is still a close partner.My bloodtest in both intracell.and serum/fullblood was very high in Zink and very low in copper and NORMAL magnesium , so I started with copper-selenium-manganese-and potassium + 3 gram of vitamin C every morning, and my butterfly stomach and pacs and pics are gone, but I still have the quivering at night, but I dont feel it it so strongly as before, maybe magnesium is not the regulator for arrythmia.Btw I also have Vitiligo and my question :, anyone else???.
kjell
kjell
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Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 01:52PM |
Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 18,890 |
Here I go again, beating the drum for magnesium!
There could be a connection with afibbers/Tinnitis/ and magnesium deficiency. When I googled this topic, I found multiple articles supporting this as well as a B12 deficiency.
One of the interesting article is at this address
[home.revealed.net]
From the article:
..."Magnesium May Shield Sensitive Ears
It's true that you won't find laboratory animals handling heavy
artillery or using chain saws. But you can thank these creatures for
another dietary recommendation for protecting ears: magnesium.
Magnesium-deficient lab animals exposed to noise have much more
damage to the nerve cells in their cochleas than animals fed a diet
adequate in magnesium, Dr. Attias says. What happens to these cells
when the noise level gets too high? "The tiny hairs on these cells fuse or
disappear, and they and their supporting cells eventually disintegrate,
along with the nerve fibers going to these cells," explains Dr. Attias. Low
levels of magnesium combined with noise exposure eventually deplete the
cells' energy stores, leading to exhaustion, damage and death of the inner
ear cells, he explains.
Low magnesium levels can also cause blood vessels, including the tiny
arteries going to the inner ears, to constrict. (Remember, noise-induced
vasospasm is thought to play a role in tinnitus.) Human ears, even young,
healthy, normal-hearing ones, can benefit from extra magnesium, Dr.
Attias says. "
Additionally, I do not have tinnitus. I do know people who have been helped by taking ginkgo biloba for this condition - it increases circulation to the microvessels.
Jackie
There could be a connection with afibbers/Tinnitis/ and magnesium deficiency. When I googled this topic, I found multiple articles supporting this as well as a B12 deficiency.
One of the interesting article is at this address
[home.revealed.net]
From the article:
..."Magnesium May Shield Sensitive Ears
It's true that you won't find laboratory animals handling heavy
artillery or using chain saws. But you can thank these creatures for
another dietary recommendation for protecting ears: magnesium.
Magnesium-deficient lab animals exposed to noise have much more
damage to the nerve cells in their cochleas than animals fed a diet
adequate in magnesium, Dr. Attias says. What happens to these cells
when the noise level gets too high? "The tiny hairs on these cells fuse or
disappear, and they and their supporting cells eventually disintegrate,
along with the nerve fibers going to these cells," explains Dr. Attias. Low
levels of magnesium combined with noise exposure eventually deplete the
cells' energy stores, leading to exhaustion, damage and death of the inner
ear cells, he explains.
Low magnesium levels can also cause blood vessels, including the tiny
arteries going to the inner ears, to constrict. (Remember, noise-induced
vasospasm is thought to play a role in tinnitus.) Human ears, even young,
healthy, normal-hearing ones, can benefit from extra magnesium, Dr.
Attias says. "
Additionally, I do not have tinnitus. I do know people who have been helped by taking ginkgo biloba for this condition - it increases circulation to the microvessels.
Jackie
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Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 02:02PM |
Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 18,890 |
Forgot to add that at the bottom of this article, there are these quotes:
"If all the medicaiton in the world were thrown in the ocean, it would be a good day for man, but a bad day for the fish"
Thomas Edison
The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.
Thomas A. Edison
Wise man. Jackie
"If all the medicaiton in the world were thrown in the ocean, it would be a good day for man, but a bad day for the fish"
Thomas Edison
The doctor of the future will give no medicine but will interest his patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease.
Thomas A. Edison
Wise man. Jackie
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Adrian
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 03:06PM |
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J. Pisano
Tinnitus covergence thickening.... October 24, 2003 03:16PM |
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J. Pisano
Information from past posts in closed forums... October 24, 2003 03:30PM |
Interesting information found by scouring the archives.... This was suggested as a correlation almost 2 years ago to date on this forum.....
It would be interesting to see what Dick has found out since, I am going to try to email him Dick to if he might be available to tell us what he has found out since in 2 years and how he is doing.......
Author: Dick Schneiders (199.240.151.---)
Date: 11-02-01 14:35
I have had minor tinnitus for several years. It had been so minor that I rarely even paid attention to it, and when I did it was more of a curiosity than anything. However, a couple of months ago the intensity increased considerably. I just went to my doctor to rule out any medical problem that might have been the cause. One of the tests he scheduled me for was a stress test. However, before I started the actual test, they discovered that I was in an AF state.
I had been to the doctor a few times over the past 10 years or so with a variety of problems like minor chest discomfort, intermittent racing heart, shortness of breath, dizzy spells, etc. All of these problems were very infrequent and never manifested themselves while at the doctor. About 3 years ago I had an EKG and ecocardiogram, chest x-rays, etc. Everything showed up normal on these tests, and they were administered by a cardiologist.
Now, finally, the problem has been identified and I am in the beginning stages of trying to determine how to deal with my AF, which seems to be of the "Lone" variety. However, the tinnitus still bothers me and it appears to have been put on the back burner by my doctor. He feels that there can be no correlation between that and the AF. Do any of you have any thoughts on this?
I am an active and, up to now, very healthy 56 year old male - nonsmoker, infrequent drinker, about 15 pounds overweight at 200 lbs.
I am concerned about my mental state if I am faced with dealing with two distinct ailments that most doctors consider to have no effective cure. It would be helpful to discover that there is a link to them.
Thanks,
Dick Schneiders
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Gert Mueller (---.dip.t-dialin.net)
Date: 11-02-01 14:47
Dick,
what about your blood pressure ? All inside the green range ? I ask you this question, because a high BP may be the reason for tinnitus and afib as well.
Gert.
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: william (---.netcom.ca)
Date: 11-03-01 14:24
I had tinnitus before my first incident of LAF.
I don't have high blood pressure, never have.
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Dick Schneiders (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 11-03-01 15:14
Gert,
My blood pressure has never been high. Just about the only out of normal range item I have been tested for has been a slightly elevated cholesterol.
Never had any medical problems at all - now I am dealing with two of them that have a lousy curative rate.
Thanks,
Dick Schneiders
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: BobC (---.sbo.ma.webcache.rcn.net)
Date: 11-05-01 05:12
My wife found that ginkgo biloba really helped her tinnitus.
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: BobC (---.sbo.ma.webcache.rcn.net)
Date: 11-05-01 05:16
She also takes super B complex with the ginkgo. The combo has given her much relief.
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Dick Schneiders (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 11-05-01 12:44
I think I recall seeing somewhere on this board that ginko can cause increased episodes of AF.
Anybody else remember reading that anywhere?
Dick Schneiders
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Hans Larsen (---.gv.shawcable.net)
Date: 11-07-01 11:43
Ginkgo biloba and vitamin B12 are both essential supplements in the treatment of tinnitus.
Hans
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Hans Larsen (---.pinc.com)
Date: 11-07-01 12:20
Dick,
There is some indication that tinnitus can be caused by an autonomic nervous systm dysfunction - just like LAF. Do you have the vagal or adrenergic type?
Hans
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: William Schnell (---.netcom.ca)
Date: 11-07-01 12:43
In the book I\'m reading on the effects of mercury (from amalgam fillings) , tinnitus is listed as one of the symptoms.
This fits with other observations.
[hometown.aol.com]
William
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Dick Schneiders (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 11-07-01 12:55
Hans,
I was only just diagnosed last week, after years of various symptons, and I am not certain which form of AF I have. I certainly think that it is Lone because with all of the tests there has not been the slightest indication of any heart disease. I am a 56 year old male in good health and no vices. :-)
I strongly suspect that it is the adrenergic form, though, because most of the symptoms I can recall as being during the daytime and after some stess, either mental or physical. However, since I have been diagnosed, I have been in a constant state of AF. Pulse is fairly steady in the 70 range, but very irregular.
Thanks,
Dick Schneiders
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: pierre (---.turboline.skynet.be)
Date: 11-25-01 13:04
What is tinnitus ??
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Hans Larsen (---.gv.shawcable.net)
Date: 11-26-01 13:45
Pierre,
Tinnitus is an ear disorder manifesting itself as a ringing in the ear.
Hans
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Memphis Ken (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 12-02-01 06:59
Wow!
As a recently "discovered" LAF sufferer -- and first-time visitor to LAF forum -- I too have now noticed a correlation between LAF episodes and increased tinnitis. I've had the latter forever (53 yr. old male, otherwise excellent health), and now see how the two are probably connected. As are my periodic outbreaks of hives, I suspect. Haven't had one since my "get thee to the hospital" command from my GP in a routine visit, and subsequent diagnosis, but am convinced they're partners in crime, the hives and the LAF. Any thoughts on this, anyone?
What a wonderful board! A real lifesaver. Thanks.
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RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: trudy (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 12-25-01 00:15
Dick, there has been some progress in dealing with tinnitus. There was some publicity awhile back because William Shatner, who has it, spoke out about how helpful the new treatments had been for him, after it had just about driven him nuts. A web search on Shatner and tinnitus should turn it up. I noticed because I have had tinnitus for decades, but it is low enough currently to be tolerable. My afib is much more recent.
It would be interesting to see what Dick has found out since, I am going to try to email him Dick to if he might be available to tell us what he has found out since in 2 years and how he is doing.......
Author: Dick Schneiders (199.240.151.---)
Date: 11-02-01 14:35
I have had minor tinnitus for several years. It had been so minor that I rarely even paid attention to it, and when I did it was more of a curiosity than anything. However, a couple of months ago the intensity increased considerably. I just went to my doctor to rule out any medical problem that might have been the cause. One of the tests he scheduled me for was a stress test. However, before I started the actual test, they discovered that I was in an AF state.
I had been to the doctor a few times over the past 10 years or so with a variety of problems like minor chest discomfort, intermittent racing heart, shortness of breath, dizzy spells, etc. All of these problems were very infrequent and never manifested themselves while at the doctor. About 3 years ago I had an EKG and ecocardiogram, chest x-rays, etc. Everything showed up normal on these tests, and they were administered by a cardiologist.
Now, finally, the problem has been identified and I am in the beginning stages of trying to determine how to deal with my AF, which seems to be of the "Lone" variety. However, the tinnitus still bothers me and it appears to have been put on the back burner by my doctor. He feels that there can be no correlation between that and the AF. Do any of you have any thoughts on this?
I am an active and, up to now, very healthy 56 year old male - nonsmoker, infrequent drinker, about 15 pounds overweight at 200 lbs.
I am concerned about my mental state if I am faced with dealing with two distinct ailments that most doctors consider to have no effective cure. It would be helpful to discover that there is a link to them.
Thanks,
Dick Schneiders
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Gert Mueller (---.dip.t-dialin.net)
Date: 11-02-01 14:47
Dick,
what about your blood pressure ? All inside the green range ? I ask you this question, because a high BP may be the reason for tinnitus and afib as well.
Gert.
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: william (---.netcom.ca)
Date: 11-03-01 14:24
I had tinnitus before my first incident of LAF.
I don't have high blood pressure, never have.
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Dick Schneiders (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 11-03-01 15:14
Gert,
My blood pressure has never been high. Just about the only out of normal range item I have been tested for has been a slightly elevated cholesterol.
Never had any medical problems at all - now I am dealing with two of them that have a lousy curative rate.
Thanks,
Dick Schneiders
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: BobC (---.sbo.ma.webcache.rcn.net)
Date: 11-05-01 05:12
My wife found that ginkgo biloba really helped her tinnitus.
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: BobC (---.sbo.ma.webcache.rcn.net)
Date: 11-05-01 05:16
She also takes super B complex with the ginkgo. The combo has given her much relief.
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Dick Schneiders (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 11-05-01 12:44
I think I recall seeing somewhere on this board that ginko can cause increased episodes of AF.
Anybody else remember reading that anywhere?
Dick Schneiders
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Hans Larsen (---.gv.shawcable.net)
Date: 11-07-01 11:43
Ginkgo biloba and vitamin B12 are both essential supplements in the treatment of tinnitus.
Hans
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Hans Larsen (---.pinc.com)
Date: 11-07-01 12:20
Dick,
There is some indication that tinnitus can be caused by an autonomic nervous systm dysfunction - just like LAF. Do you have the vagal or adrenergic type?
Hans
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: William Schnell (---.netcom.ca)
Date: 11-07-01 12:43
In the book I\'m reading on the effects of mercury (from amalgam fillings) , tinnitus is listed as one of the symptoms.
This fits with other observations.
[hometown.aol.com]
William
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Dick Schneiders (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 11-07-01 12:55
Hans,
I was only just diagnosed last week, after years of various symptons, and I am not certain which form of AF I have. I certainly think that it is Lone because with all of the tests there has not been the slightest indication of any heart disease. I am a 56 year old male in good health and no vices. :-)
I strongly suspect that it is the adrenergic form, though, because most of the symptoms I can recall as being during the daytime and after some stess, either mental or physical. However, since I have been diagnosed, I have been in a constant state of AF. Pulse is fairly steady in the 70 range, but very irregular.
Thanks,
Dick Schneiders
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: pierre (---.turboline.skynet.be)
Date: 11-25-01 13:04
What is tinnitus ??
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Hans Larsen (---.gv.shawcable.net)
Date: 11-26-01 13:45
Pierre,
Tinnitus is an ear disorder manifesting itself as a ringing in the ear.
Hans
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: Memphis Ken (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 12-02-01 06:59
Wow!
As a recently "discovered" LAF sufferer -- and first-time visitor to LAF forum -- I too have now noticed a correlation between LAF episodes and increased tinnitis. I've had the latter forever (53 yr. old male, otherwise excellent health), and now see how the two are probably connected. As are my periodic outbreaks of hives, I suspect. Haven't had one since my "get thee to the hospital" command from my GP in a routine visit, and subsequent diagnosis, but am convinced they're partners in crime, the hives and the LAF. Any thoughts on this, anyone?
What a wonderful board! A real lifesaver. Thanks.
Reply To This Message
RE: Correlation between AF and tinnitus?
Author: trudy (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 12-25-01 00:15
Dick, there has been some progress in dealing with tinnitus. There was some publicity awhile back because William Shatner, who has it, spoke out about how helpful the new treatments had been for him, after it had just about driven him nuts. A web search on Shatner and tinnitus should turn it up. I noticed because I have had tinnitus for decades, but it is low enough currently to be tolerable. My afib is much more recent.
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Anton
Re: Tinnitus October 24, 2003 05:57PM |
Interesting. I've had tinnitis for years and before I was aware of AF. With mine, when in NSR, I can "hear" my beat as the tinnitus is louder on the pulsed beat. That's to say I can feel my pulse and it coincides with the increase in tinnitus sound.
I used to pay it no mind as it's a low volume, but I now use it as a confirmation that I'm in NSR. In AFib, it's more of a constant sound. Anyone else use it as a HR indicator?
Anton
I used to pay it no mind as it's a low volume, but I now use it as a confirmation that I'm in NSR. In AFib, it's more of a constant sound. Anyone else use it as a HR indicator?
Anton
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