Steven Carr: complete elimination by natural methods

Steven Carr, an Australian I believe, did a seven-sigma deep dive into eliminating his Lone afib through diet. He succeeded. He wrote up his story and posted updates over the years. It's a long read.

The following measures eliminated my atrial fibrillation (AF) and all ectopic beats, without surgery or medication

I don't know Steve at all. The domain was first registered in March 2015. He posts a bio sketch here. He dated his last update as January 2021. Let me know what you think.



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Steve posted here several times about 3 years ago.

There was in-depth response to his posts, which should be still relevant as far as no significant changes since then. I recommend looking through them. Steve's work was done primarily on prevalence and reduction of Ectopy/PAC's, not actual AFIB, although I that did have hardcore persistent AFIB, and others with paroxysmal AFIB have basically tentatively corroborated his findings. Although having said this, managing AFIB is usually more complex, than just following his protocol.

You seem to be doing quite the research project on AFIB, while most on this site got Ablation Process, there are a handful of us on this site who never got Ablated, and manage sporadic infrequent episodes. If someone is willing to put the time and effort into managing AFIB naturally, the odds go up that Ablation/Anti-Arrythmics may not be needed, or at least delayed indefinately.

Initially I forgot to include the link to his write up, here it is

The following measures eliminated my atrial fibrillation (AF) and all ectopic beats, without surgery or medication

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Steve's work was done primarily on prevalence and reduction of Ectopy/PAC's, not actual AFIB, although I that did have hardcore persistent AFIB, and others with paroxysmal AFIB have basically tentatively corroborated his findings.

I'm unable to make out what you are saying.

Here is a search on all of Steve Carr's posts here: [www.afibbers.org]

Steve is legit.

One of the big pieces of his protocol is limiting calcium intake to < 400 mg/day. 2012 was a bad year for my relatively excellent, long duration, afib control.. I was going through a divorce and thought it was divorce stress. after 12 or so months, I went back and reread the literature and realized it could be calcium. With a low carb diet, I happened to be consuming wheels of brie as a way to deal with the stress. After reading the literature, I realized that the brie could be the culprit. I eliminated it and my control immediately went back to pre divorce levels. I've maintained low calcium intake subsequently.

A resource here that is buried are the "Conference Room" archives. These were detailed discussions on afib, including mechanisms from 10+ years ago. They are here: [www.afibbers.org]

One of our members, Peggy Merrill, created "The List." She collected stories, like Steve's, of folks who had reduced or eliminated their aifb burdens through various means. This the Conference Room Archive for The List: [www.afibbers.org]

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Steve's work was done primarily on prevalence and reduction of Ectopy/PAC's, not actual AFIB, although I that did have hardcore persistent AFIB, and others with paroxysmal AFIB have basically tentatively corroborated his findings.

I'm unable to make out what you are saying.

Steve was using reduction of Ectopy/PAC's as his metric to figure out his protocol. I did this as well, starting in 2004 and onward to tune my protocol. This is because afib was a relatively rare occurrence (thankfully), so needed something with higher frequency as a metric. In my case I did long duration (hours) monitoring with an R to R (beat to beat) recording heart rate monitor. I initially did it while meditating, to eliminate artifact in the data from movement. Later learned I could sleep on my back on the recliner of a couch and accomplish the same artifact elimination as I would not move much during sleep in that position. I monitored last night & my PAC's are at about 12/hour and PVC's at 1/hour. This is a nominal level for me. I would use this metric to titrate electrolyte doses.

Many find that trying to correlate triggers is very frustrating. Many times afib occurs randomly. I've found that when my electrolytes are tuned, I have defined triggers I can avoid. When they aren't tuned, then I have random triggers or afib with no trigger.

I'll make two statements, and they are relevant to my circumstances and experience, now at 5 years since first diagnosed with PAF:

I do suspect that caffeine and stomach distension are my triggers. I have gone low on alcohol my entire life, so I don't think that is a factor for me. For example, I limit my intake to three beers a week, and have done this for decades now. I never, ever, double up on any one day and drink a second beer. It's just not me. Nevertheless, after a really good two days, Wednesday and Thursday, I suddenly had a pulse of 105 for a few minutes. I was seated at the computer when it went out, and this was four hours after my last meal, and I had had no caffeine in about 10 hours.
As others have said, it is very hard to link any one episode to any one deficiency or over-indulgence, or to some other mechanism.

I am always wary of the post hoc fallacy in reasoning. Just because a desired effect takes place after any one of several 'interventions' doesn't mean that there was a causal effect. If the method were refined to measure time, and could be linked together every time, then I could see concluding that one caused the other. It's almost impossible since so many of us self-revert after a few hours, and in my case doing squat....just trying to relax, or going for a slow walk around the garden is as effective, and predictable, as anything else I have tried.

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It's almost impossible since so many of us self-revert after a few hours, and in my case doing squat....just trying to relax, or going for a slow walk around the garden is as effective, and predictable, as anything else I have tried.

I have not self-reverted since my 2 1/2 month episode at the end of my first 4 months of afib in 2004. Conversions were either with a loading dose of flecainide on board or with some definite action on my part, such as an exhaled breath hold as I posted here and caught with both a recording heart rate monitor and recording SpO2 monitor.

All of the methods I see have at best a modest effect on my episodes, which admittedly only run in the five hour range, and that's when I end up in the ER because my HR rises to 180. So, not only do I deal with AF, but if it persists more than a couple of hours, I end up with SVT as well. Sometimes the breath-holding works, sometimes it won't. Sometimes bearing down in the pelvic floor works, but mostly it does not. I have been taking magnesium citrate, but I don't know if that is helping or if my residual serum and tissue levels after six weeks on Amiodarone are really what is most effective at masking my true condition.

After reading her for nearly two months, I see a lot of talk about various magnesium salts, now acupuncture, some swear that going for a gentle job gets them back in NSR. I guess it behooves us all to learn what works and what won't. But my point was that the post hoc problem lends itself to the unreliable outcomes that so many report after they've tried X, Y, and Z. They think it is what got them out of the loop, and try it the next time they go into AF, but this time it doesn't work for some reason. Post hoc.

Interesting read. Vit D seems to be very important to him + i understand that but everyone is different + what i read was a just a more in depth personal opinion on one's protocol then most posters do here many times.
Again works for him but probably does not work for most others..... just like other protocols others have offered here on this forum including myself in a much shorter version.
AFIB + PAC'S are the greatest example in world history of the old saying that goes something like...what's good for you may not be good for me.
I am happy for the guy though + will add a little more vit D3 supl. so i will move in his direction of advice as a result of this read + TY for his post Kwilk.



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Initially I forgot to include the link to his write up, here it is

The following measures eliminated my atrial fibrillation (AF) and all ectopic beats, without surgery or medication






Steve's work was done primarily on prevalence and reduction of Ectopy/PAC's, not actual AFIB, although I that did have hardcore persistent AFIB, and others with paroxysmal AFIB have basically tentatively corroborated his findings.

I'm unable to make out what you are saying.

Thankyou George for expanding on what I was trying to say.

I think we all look for the natural way out of this condition, not wanting to go ahead with procedures that in the main are very successful.
I waited for decades, a long story that I won't repeat.

Two ablations last 18 months have changed my perception of how I managed this over the years.

Yes, sometimes I thought it was better UNTIL it reared its ugly head again and again and again.

If you get the occasional episode then maybe you can come up with something to help.

If like me you have very regular episodes, with very high heart rates and very frightening side effects like fainting etc, you may need to make a decision.

I traded away my old Cardiologist who I'd foolishly stuck with for all those long years( AND who incidentally, in all the decades that I was his patient, he never mentioned that an EP was the specialist in this field)

Am I cured? No, I don't believe I'm cured, I still get the odd blip, and I continue to take my pulse and worry it will start up again, but life is so much better these days.

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Steve's work was done primarily on prevalence and reduction of Ectopy/PAC's, not actual AFIB, although I that did have hardcore persistent AFIB, and others with paroxysmal AFIB have basically tentatively corroborated his findings.

I'm unable to make out what you are saying.

... was using reduction of Ectopy/PAC's as his metric to figure out his protocol.

Thankyou George for expanding on what I was trying to say.

Thanks