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so you make up your own mind but the close minded attacks are coming believe me.
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I suggest you have read of this post, it's long but very informative. The last post by Jackie in particular.
[www.afibbers.org]
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I am confused with the CHADS scoring. I guess my current score is 1. However I'm turning 75 in June and I guess my score will then be a 2. How do I figure out the risk of a stroke in layman's terms without the Eliqus.
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Stroke risk was 2.2% per year in >90,000 patients (the Swedish Atrial Fibrillation Cohort Study) and 2.9% risk of stroke/TIA/systemic embolism.
One recommendation suggests a 0 score is “low” risk and may not require anticoagulation; a 1 score is “low-moderate” risk and should consider antiplatelet or anticoagulation, and score 2 or greater is “moderate-high” risk and should otherwise be an anticoagulation candidate.
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I don't think Carey or Shannon have stopped anyone from posting, the post could be deleted but the poster wasn't kicked off the board.
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I am confused with the CHADS scoring. I guess my current score is 1. However I'm turning 75 in June and I guess my score will then be a 2. How do I figure out the risk of a stroke in layman's terms without the Eliqus.
You can figure out your CHADS score by clicking here. The good news is you can subtract 1 from your score for being female. That point is no longer counted for almost all cases of afib. So if you have none of the other conditions listed, you would have a score of 2 for being 75. To get the correct explanation of your score, just tell the test you're male and that will subtract the point.
Once you enter all the answers, a green box will show up below the questions that explains the risks. For a CHADS score of 2, it says:
Stroke risk was 2.2% per year in >90,000 patients (the Swedish Atrial Fibrillation Cohort Study) and 2.9% risk of stroke/TIA/systemic embolism.
One recommendation suggests a 0 score is “low” risk and may not require anticoagulation; a 1 score is “low-moderate” risk and should consider antiplatelet or anticoagulation, and score 2 or greater is “moderate-high” risk and should otherwise be an anticoagulation candidate.
So what does a 2.2% risk of stroke mean in real life terms? For the average person your odds of dying in a car crash are about 1% per year, so it means you're twice as likely to suffer a stroke without the Eliquis (or something) as you are to die in a car crash. And if we expand it to not just strokes but also blood clots elsewhere, which can cause things like heart attacks, it's triple the risk of dying in a car crash.
Oh, heck, that doesn't sound so bad, does it?
But remember, that's just the odds of it happening in a single year, and you face those same odds every year. So what are the odds of you suffering at least one stroke over the next 10 years if you take nothing to prevent it?
About 20%. Yes, if you do nothing, you'll face a 1-in-5 chance of suffering a stroke in the next 10 years.
My advice would be to do something to substantially reduce that risk.
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Please tell us why the risks go up by 2.2% each year, what causes this?
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I've always worked very hard at controlling all the controllable factors, like hypertension and blood sugar without meds and to keep them in the extreme optimal range.
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And if we take eliquis, what are the chances of not getting a stroke? 99%?
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I have been looking into whether the frozen natto from Japan,which is all that is available to us in supermarkets actually has any live bacterial culture. And all I am finding is that it does not. So I am,at this point, not sure whether frozen natto will deliver what we are looking for and expecting in terms of both the nattokinase and the K2.
The solution seems to be to either find a person or company that makes it fresh and never freezes it before sale, or start making your own. If you live in a large city you can find fresh natto for sale. But many towns this is not possible.
This facebook post from a NY company that makes fresh natto says they put the fresh natto and frozen natto under microscope, and nothing living in frozen natto:
[www.facebook.com]
This FB post by NYrture New York Natto says:
" Don’t freeze your natto! Freezing ruptures and kills the probiotic cells inside; see for yourself.
🔬At the University of Amsterdam I visited Dr. Leendert Hamoen who studies adaptive growth behavior of Bacillus subtilis, our favorite probiotic microbe. How alive are the probiotic bacteria inside our natto? And how does our natto compare to frozen imported natto? Check out our experiment 👉👉👉
🌝 Under the microscope, we see our natto teeming with LIVE, dividing, growing microbial cells.
🌚 In contrast, frozen Japanese natto was completely DEAD, containing only spores and ruptured cellular debris.
👁👁Seeing is believing; the difference between fresh & frozen natto was as clear as day & night. Only the living food is truly probiotic and actively produce VitaminK2 & nattokinase. All studies showing natto’s health benefits examined consumption of fresh, unfrozen natto.
👉This is important because all natto exported from Asia is frozen in transit. For maximum health benefit, choose fresh natto & do not freeze, please 🙏 "
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colindo
I have used both and didn't find any difference.
I used local unfrozen natto for the first 6 months then changed to frozen because it was more convenient to get and have used it for the last 2 years.
Dean has used frozen natto for 14 years and has been free of Afib for that long.
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Wow............. Thank you all for this wonderful information. It does make one wonder what the right decision for me is.
Stay tuned I guess. I'll keep you posted.
FYI...on Nattokinase. Allergy Research Group advertises "Nattokinase NSK-SD 2000 FU" for about $42 for a bottle of 60 gel caps. Life Extension prices were better than Amazon. I took this product for quite a long time with no problems. When my Aflutter returned a year ago my EP told me to stop the Natto and put me back on Eliqus.
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Am I mainly supposed to worry about the need for a blood thinner bec of a past hx of afib?
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I have been looking into whether the frozen natto from Japan,which is all that is available to us in supermarkets actually has any live bacterial culture. And all I am finding is that it does not. So I am,at this point, not sure whether frozen natto will deliver what we are looking for and expecting in terms of both the nattokinase and the K2.
The solution seems to be to either find a person or company that makes it fresh and never freezes it before sale, or start making your own. If you live in a large city you can find fresh natto for sale. But many towns this is not possible.
This facebook post from a NY company that makes fresh natto says they put the fresh natto and frozen natto under microscope, and nothing living in frozen natto:
[www.facebook.com]
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The Megumi Natto is available at my local Japanese grocery store. It is of course about twice as expensive as the frozen stuff shipped from Japan.
All best!
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