Mandatory vaccine November 25, 2020 10:32PM |
Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 131 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 26, 2020 12:08AM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 26, 2020 06:34AM |
Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 783 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 26, 2020 09:21AM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 836 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 26, 2020 01:03PM |
Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 131 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 27, 2020 06:21AM |
Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 218 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 27, 2020 10:16AM |
Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 1,102 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 27, 2020 12:02PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
Kleinkp
Not anti vaccine but golly, last time I had high fever, body aches etc I went into 72 hour afibb episode. That spurred me into getting the ablation.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 27, 2020 05:08PM |
Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 783 |
Quote
Carey
You don't seem to have accepted the fact that you had a successful ablation and your heart is no longer capable of sustaining afib.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 27, 2020 09:43PM |
Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 131 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 10:05AM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 499 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 02:22PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
NotLyingAboutMyAfib
Interesting idea. A successful ablation would be robust enough to allow a person to drink caffeine, eat chocolate, alcohol, etc - do all of the 'triggers' suspected, yet most people that have an ablation still walk the tightrope to some degree.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 05:01PM |
Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 122 |
Quote
Carey
So if you've had an ablation and haven't experienced sustained afib or flutter in 12 months without the use of antiarrhythmic drugs, your ablation was fully successful and your wires are cut. Get off the tightrope.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 06:06PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
Fibrillator
I am 3.5 yrs post my 4th ablation and 1st Natale successful ablation. Last Christmas I decided to be "normal" and decided to try some alcohol here and there. Probably a few drinks a week every week for a month. One night I deicided to hit it a bit harder and no doubt I went into "something" for about 15 to 20 seconds. Could not catch it on Kardia as I was at a pub. I also know technically under 30 seconds would not be counted as afib and it could have been a cluster of PVC, PAC etc.
Pre ablation alcohol was a trigger fairly consistent for me. My CS is isolated as well. I also notice my heart rate is very sensitive
to alcohol, even a little can cause a 20BPM increase. Not necessarily afib but also uncomfortable as my resting HR tends to spend a lot of time around 90 even still.
Long story short, scientifically I agree with you, psychologically I choose to have a very random drink these days at best, and it is a very weak one. I find the increased heart rate and increased PAC activity that results not worth it whether it would turn to afib or not.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 06:17PM |
Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 122 |
Quote
Carey
Interesting. I've never heard of alcohol increasing a heart rate by 20 bpm. So I can understand your reluctance to drink alcohol since you experience other symptoms from it, and it sounds like a wise thing to do since your heart obviously doesn't like alcohol, but the fact that that 15-20 second episode didn't progress to sustained afib demonstrates the point. Your heart "wanted" to go into afib from the alcohol, and prior to the ablation it probably would have, but it simply couldn't due to the ablation. That's actually a really good example of how ablations work.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 07:28PM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 239 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 28, 2020 10:22PM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 2,515 |
Quote
Carey
Yes, it's an interesting idea because it's exactly the whole idea of ablation. An ablation is like cutting the wires to a bomb. You can apply as much electricity as you want to one end of the wire but it will never detonate the bomb because the electricity can't get to the bomb. And that's exactly what happens in an ablation.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 29, 2020 10:17AM |
Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 706 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 29, 2020 12:28PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
susan.d
So why does people need multiple ablations, if for example, a top tier ER goes back in and the PVI heldāthe wires were cut. If the wires were cut and the PVI held during mapping, how does oneās AF return because the LAA, CS, etc, suddenly start firing? The PVI would be the wall. How did the signals penetrate the barrier?
If not, there will be endless touch ups. You had 6. Many here 2-3.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 29, 2020 03:55PM |
Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 122 |
Quote
Carey
And to clarify, I have not had 6 touch ups. I've never had a touch up. What I had were five unsuccessful ablations (the first three due to incompetence, the fourth and fifth due to the mess created by the first three). Then I had one successful ablation that didn't require a touch-up. If you want to get into why ablations fail, we can do that but it's a thread all its own.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 29, 2020 08:04PM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 2,515 |
Quote
Carey
Yes, it's an interesting idea because it's exactly the whole idea of ablation. An ablation is like cutting the wires to a bomb. You can apply as much electricity as you want to one end of the wire but it will never detonate the bomb because the electricity can't get to the bomb. And that's exactly what happens in an ablation. If you put a mapping catheter into my pulmonary veins right now, I'm sure you'd see afib signals blazing away. Ditto with my LAA and my coronary sinus. But I don't care because it's physically impossible for those signals to go anywhere. I could run a marathon on a hot day without a drop of water, then go home and guzzle booze, drink a liter of black coffee, eat a huge block of dark chocolate, and have a nice big Chinese meal loaded with MSG -- and I would still remain in NSR.
Quote
Carey
If AF recurs years later, it's because the disease has progressed and a new source of AF has appeared outside the areas isolated in the original procedure. A few people here have experienced that phenomenon. You can call it aging.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 12:40AM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 09:32AM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 836 |
Quote
Carey
You're completely confusing what I've said and comparing your short-term personal experiences measured in months to thousands of people's experiences measured in years.
All I've tried to say is that if you've had a successful ablation, the areas ablated will never again produce AF. It's that simple. I don't know why you feel compelled to paint a darker picture for people.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 01:08PM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 2,515 |
Quote
smackman
You're completely confusing what I've said and comparing your short-term personal experiences measured in months to thousands of people's experiences measured in years.
All I've tried to say is that if you've had a successful ablation, the areas ablated will never again produce AF. It's that simple. I don't know why you feel compelled to paint a darker picture for people.
Remember, The Country is being told by Politicians we are facing a VERY DARK WINTER. Now I know they are talking about Covid but some individuals are easily persuaded by watching to much Media BS.
I have had 2 Ablations with Dr. Natale. I have been in NSR since July 2016. I consider my Ablations a success. Could I develop another āElectrical malfunctionā? Itās possible but I do not want to live my life in fear of the possibilities of Life. I am not perfect but I do believe in a positive disposition.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 03:54PM |
Registered: 12 years ago Posts: 499 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 05:50PM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 2,515 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 07:56PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
susan.d
Wait 12 months AF free? If there is a time frame of no firing of new wires that predicts true success, then thatās great. But folks write 13+ years passed and their AF returned so is 12 months the typical benchmark for a successful ablation or 13+ years later still part of the timeline curve??
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 08:34PM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 2,515 |
Quote
Carey
The accepted criteria for a successful ablation is one year with no sustained tachy-arrhythmias without the aid of antiarrhythmic drugs. If you develop afib later, that's not a failure of the ablation. That's progression of the disease that has led to new sources appearing outside the ablated areas.
Re: Mandatory vaccine November 30, 2020 11:54PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
susan.d
Iām very confident you had a successful ablation. I just wonder if your future aging and potential progression of the disease might hinder and affect you in the future from your exampled scenarios? Obviously not saying one should live in fear of cause and effect of these scenarios while living a full life...but instead weigh the benefits of remaining in nsr vs a thrill risk. Again everyone is different.
Re: Mandatory vaccine December 01, 2020 02:58PM |
Registered: 10 years ago Posts: 1,748 |
Re: Mandatory vaccine December 01, 2020 03:42PM |
Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 706 |
Quote
Elizabeth
I got Afib a few times a year than the last few years i would get an episode every few months or a couple of times a month until now i am in Permanent AF, I ask you why did my Afib stop and not come back sometimes for months, no "wires" were cut. No EP can answer why would AF stop and not come back for weeks or months. Slash and Burn isn't the only answer where is the stats on helping or perhaps curing AF without ablations. If Afib can stop for weeks or months then why is that possible.
Re: Mandatory vaccine December 01, 2020 04:35PM |
Admin Registered: 6 years ago Posts: 5,343 |
Quote
Elizabeth
Slash and Burn isn't the only answer where is the stats on helping or perhaps curing AF without ablations. If Afib can stop for weeks or months then why is that possible.