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He noted that Eliquis will stay in the system for 12 hours, so agreed there is a risk of excessive bleeding from a car accident too and no way to stop this effect.
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Do all hospitals carry an antidote for Eliquis? I have my doubts on that.
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What is incorrect: That Hans wrote that or what he wrote is incorrect?
What he wrote is incorrect. (If he actually said that.)
I greatly respect Hans and have used his research quite a bit in my own afib journey, but that statement is just plain wrong.
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Carey, have you read any of Hans Larsens’ books or research in the forum’s archives?
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Actually Carey it is you that is scarcing people, I grant that you are a very knowledgeable man but you believe one way.
This post is one that you posted a few months ago;
It would be nice if that were true but it's not. Strokes are more common among afib patients even when they haven't had an afib episode in months or even years. And actually, there's probably no such thing as lone afib. Current thinking is that afib is a symptom of an underlying disease known as atrial myopathy. I've talked to Shannon about removing the words "lone afib" from the site and he agrees it needs to be changed.
I asked my doctor about having a stroke even if you do not have AF for months or YEARS, now that is a scarce statement, you can get a stroke which has nothing to do with AF, so if that is what you meant you should explain it. My doctor said I wasn't in AF long enough to stroke which is around 3 to 12 hours, yet you said years. I will be seeing my doctor in a couple of months and will expound further on the subject.
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I wonder if each heart is different in terms of it's efficiency when pumping during afib. Meaning - would an athletic heart (pumping more efficiently) be less likely to cause a stoke than an unfit heart? I doubt there are any studies.
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I wonder if each heart is different in terms of it's efficiency when pumping during afib. Meaning - would an athletic heart (pumping more efficiently) be less likely to cause a stoke than an unfit heart?
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The solution is to fix the contributing factor not stuff them with a blood thinner which will eventually kill them one way or the other.
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Safib:
Carey also said the following:
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Carey have you read the ASSERT 2 trial?
Moreover, ASSERT 2 "substantially weakens the case that subclinical AF detected after stroke is linked to causality," he said.
Yes, I have read it, and you're absolutely right. I was going to wait and see if someone mentioned it and you did. It's not really clear at all how long you have to be in afib to be at risk. How much afib does it take to create clots? With no firm answers, I think the wise person with a CHADS-Vasc >2 would go with anticoagulants. The risks and benefits definitely come down on that side.
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Carey is correct in his statement (note he said minutes not one minute). The ASSERT trial showed even 6 minutes of AF resulted in 2.5 times increased stroke risk. Other studies have disputed this, and the trend seems to be moving away from short duration risk. In fact, there is evidence that neither the timing nor patterning nor perception of AF is predictive of stroke risk. Consequently risk assessment and anticoagulant therapy continues to be based on other risk factors using for example CHA2DS2-VASc, without stratification within the AF group. Unfortunately, many of the opinions expressed by MDs and echoed here are not current with the literature. My own EP indicated to me that his criteria for anticoagulation assuming it was not indicated by CHA2DS2-VASc was whether one fell asleep with AF and it was still present on waking. He actually said that this was based on his own experience, even though he was aware it was not aligned with current recommendations.
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Carey said:
That is flatly false and you're not doing anyone any favors scaremongering.
How is Colindo scaremongering? Isn't this a board that is open to discussion about AF, Carey anything you don't like you call it criticizing doctors, scaremongering and false. People get strokes even while they are on bloodthinners, Shannon has written about his after he had his watchman implanted, there have been a couple of people on this board that have written about their strokes while being on a blood thinner. It is a big problem and a worrisome one, I can't take blood thinners and it does worry me, I can't even take some of these natural blood thinners because they seem to give me aura migraines. I believe as we get older we cannot take a lot of these meds or even some supplements. I would like to see more open discussion about what do people do, does everybody take blood thinners or perhaps they take some natural means, I know that Dean eats Natto and it works for him.
By the way Carey, tell me when I get an episode of AF, why does it stop and I go into NSR, which I have been doing for almost 20 years, I am extremely thankful that I do, but what changes?
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