morpheus Wrote:
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> Greetings, smackman.
>
> That your bladder symptoms predate your medicinal
> statin use may be an indication that statins
> possibly weren't a contributor to the development
> of your IC (I'm assuming that you don't include
> significant quantities of naturally occurring
> statins in your diet). However, the role that
> statins may play in the continuance or
> exacerbation of your symptoms is probably unknown
> at this time. What is known is that statins can
> destroy smooth muscle tissue in the bladder. IC
> being an idiopathic inflammation (you used
> "infection", so here's a good chance for me to be
> captious
and I will be!) lends itself, in my
> estimation, to a "shotgun" approach in terms of
> etiological explanation. The more times the
> shotgun is fired could mean a greater chance for
> hitting what is aimed at.
>
> “The procedure did cause some issues to return
> concerning my Interstitial cystitis or bladder
> pain syndrome (also IC/BPS)”. That's a tempting
> idea, but such an assertion falls into the
> “questionable cause” class of logical
> fallacy--specifically: “post hoc, ergo propter
> hoc”. Clearly there are occurrences where "after
> this, therefore because of this" are valid, but it
> may be unwise to make such an assumption if it
> tends to exclude from consideration other possible
> candidate cause(s) that could, in the end, turn
> out to be the actual culprit(s).
>
> Some of us here may, at times, suggest various
> mechanisms for explaining a given a list of
> symptoms. But I suspect those suggestions are
> merely for consideration only and are not meant as
> some apodictic diagnosis. The thoughts I bring to
> the table are, in general, merely suggestions. My
> ratiocination process tends to seek an overview
> and then proceed to ideas subsumed by that
> overview. Typically I'll pick out one or two of
> the culled-down idea-set elements and post it. For
> example, in another thread I offered "orthostatic
> hypotension" as a mechanism to explain a group of
> symptoms. Shannon referenced my post by
> writing:"Morpheus' idea of orthostatic hypotension
> symptoms match with some of what you described,
> but the duration of your event seemed longer than
> most Orthostatic Hypotension episodes which are
> usually precipitated by standing too fast after
> laying down or reclining in the presence of low
> adrenal insufficiency, such as very low cortisol
> or even Addison's disease." Note that he didn't
> exclude orthostatic hypotension out of hand but
> merely pointed out that the duration "seemed
> longer than most" and, what have been identified
> as the usual precipitations weren't mentioned in
> the symptoms. He thus permitted (implicitly) the
> 2.5% at either end of the “reference range” as
> possibly being operant.
>
>
> You'll note instances where I use indeterminacy in
> my phrasings, e.g.: "might", "perhaps",
> "probably", "could just". I do that on purpose. My
> original post to this thread was: "You might be
> able to rule out a, perhaps, nosocomial bladder
> infection by testing with some urine test strips
> which probably are available at your local drug
> store. If no infection, it could just be the
> effects of the catheterization, as you imply."
> That group of sentences should easily qualify for
> the "weasel-word sentence(s) of the year" award
> . If I happen to hit the jackpot (in my own mind)
> I'll probably (ha ha) use the term "ineluctable"
> as in: "my conclusion is ineluctable".
>
> Anyway, as another blast of the shotgun
I'm
> wondering about your thyroid hormone T3 (free)
> level, for obvious reasons (don't you just hate
> newspaper articles that tell you the height of the
> tallest building in the world but don't tell you
> where it's located or that tell you the location
> of the tallest building in the world but don't
> tell you how tall it is).
>
> Live long and prosper.
>
> morpheus <----blatant thief of precious Vulcan
> salutations
I am a simple man but a educated man. Was I impressed with the above lecture? No..... To me a lot of nothing was said over again.
IC is a extremely stressful condition; A Chronic Painful condition. Unless you are a Physician, OR you have had IC and found a cure for it, I would leave this topic alone because you should not be opining about my IC condition.
Questioning me whether the surgery caused a IC flare up shows your lack of understanding IC. I will leave it there. Have a wonderful day.