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43,236 signatures to keep Portland water from being fluoridated

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43,236 signatures to keep Portland water from being fluoridated
December 29, 2012 08:02PM
The topic title just below is misleading disinformation. Portland, Oregon will NOT begin water fluoridation. Of course the City Council then threw another Orwellian wrench in the works by advancing the vote one year to May 2013 instead of 2014 as originally planned. This was forwarded by a Portland friend on October 12, the day after the voting public's signatures were turned in.
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Can You Believe This?
43,236 Signatures!


Portland voters just sent two loud and clear messages to the city council:

1) Keep your fluoride out of our water
2) Get your fluoridation ordinance out of our democracy


Earlier this week, we knew we had 35,000 signatures to trigger a referendum that would take the fluoridation decision to Portland voters. But then, combined with the steady numbers provided by our signature-gatherers, an avalanche of volunteer-gathered signatures came in late. When our verifications were done (we checked every single signature that came in) and the ineligible ones crossed out, we came up with the astonishing total of 43,236. [www.cleanwaterportland.org]

And if you’re wondering how people feel about taking this to the voters instead of having city council decide, check this out: A KGW poll found that 87% of over 1000 respondents wanted voters to decide on fluoridation instead of city council [www.kgw.com]. This is similar to a KATU / Survey USA poll of nearly 600 registered voters that found 77% wanted voters to decide.

I had the honor and privilege to carry one of the nine boxes of petitions into city hall yesterday afternoon. I’ve carried a lot of boxes in my day (do you have any idea how many of my college fraternity brothers I helped move for pizza and beer?), but none felt as good as this one.

Only 20,000 valid signatures are needed to qualify for the referendum, so we’re confident this will happen. The city has 30 days to verify, so the official ruling should come in the next few weeks.

We had a rockin’ party last night. I heard a lot of great stories:

-- The doctor who collected nearly 200 signatures, often by standing outside the public library – she said she actually had people running up to her to sign
-- The dentist who became a spokesman and wants to build a coalition of dentists who recognize the folly of fluoridation
-- The lawyer who sacrificed most of her time with her two young kids to head this up
-- The jewelry-maker who blew off her job and her income for over a month to be our operations manager
-- The businessman who collected over 700 signatures and was disappointed he didn’t reach his goal of 1,000
-- The student who collected almost 800 signatures by going all over creation
-- The veteran director of our paid signature-gathering operation who said he’d never seen anything like this
-- The keyboard player of the Dandy Warhols, who put together a benefit concert in a few weeks recruiting numerous bands, raising over $4,000
-- The young woman who flew up from Guatemala on her own nickel when she heard what the city council was up to. She became our full-time office manager, the eye of the 30-day hurricane of manic activity. Oh, she also happens to be a professional Country and Western singer who has four CD’s to her credit. If you’re wondering when she sleeps, she didn’t.

We know our work isn’t done. We know some of the toughest battles lie ahead.

But we also know enthusiasm and commitment when we see it. And when we feel it. It’s all over the city. When we actually have a chance to get the FULL and ACCURATE information out on fluoridation, this wave of a movement will turn into a tsunami.

Thanks again to all of you who played a part. Stay tuned – here we go.

Rick North.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/29/2012 08:04PM by Erling.
From the Portland City Auditor's office:

"At the November 2008 General Election, there were 352,041 registered City of Portland Voters"

Congratulations. You have 13%, assuming that all these folks are registered in Portland. The Guatamalan probably is not-

A tsunami of fluoridated water is going to hit- It will be good for your teeth Erling.
Re: 43,236 signatures to keep Portland water from being fluoridated
December 30, 2012 11:22AM
Erling - I wish you and others success in enlightening the public in the time you have left about the detrimental health effects of fluoridation. It's amazing how many people are totally unaware of the reasons why fluoride should not be in anyone's drinking water or consumed for any reason.

Jackie
Re: 43,236 signatures to keep Portland water from being fluoridated
December 31, 2012 01:34PM
It’s an enigma. People argue for proof or validation via studies or sanction by FDA approval that various nutritional supplements offer health benefits… yet fail to realize that water fluoridation has never been FDA safety tested or FDA approved for medicating our water.

Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients (2010-2011) published a three-part series on medicating our water with fluoride authored by PhD researcher Gary Null..well-researched and supported by many references.

By way of introduction, he notes the following:

Quote
"For decades, we have been told a lie; a lie that has led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans and the weakening of the immune systems of tens of millions more. This lie is called fluoridation. A process that we were led to believe was a safe and effective method of protecting teeth from decay is in fact a fraud.

In recent years. it has been shown that fluoridation is neither essential for good health nor protective of teeth. What it does do is poison the body. Thus, some fundamental questions arise:
(1) How is it possible that the public has all been misled?
(2) why does public health policy and the American media continue to live with and perpetuate this scientific sham?

The History of Fluoride, a Toxic Waste
"We would not purposely add arsenic to the water supply. And we would not purposely add lead. But we do add fluoride. The fact is that fluoride is more toxic than lead and just slightly less toxic than arsenic."1 (Dr. John Yiamouyiannis)

In the concluding segment of Part 3, Dr. Null offers:
There is a major moral issue in the fluoridation debate that has largely escaped notice. The first is that, as columnist James Kilpatrick observes, it is "the right of each person to control the drugs he or she takes." Kilpatrick calls fluoridation compulsory mass medication, a procedure that violates the principles of medical ethics.237

The official stance on the fluoride issue reflects a consistent pattern of denial that begins in the earliest years of the 20th century, with industry's initial support and encouragement for water fluoridation and continues to this day with propaganda campaigns, scientific disinformation, and out and out attacks on those who have attempted to let the truth be known."
End quotes

If you drink fluoridated water, you should acquaint yourself with the many detrimental health effects fluoride is known to cause and take steps to eliminate your fluoride exposure.

Jackie


Source
Townsend Letter – 2010, 2011
Fluoridation 3-part report by Gary Null, PhD
[www.townsendletter.com]

Fluoride Was Never FDA-Approved for Ingestion
[rense.com]
Here is the other side of the story:

[fluorideinfo.org]

"Safe Water" Proponents Twist Fluoride Facts to Scare You

Weapons of Mass Deception?

Spreading Misinformation (or bad information = bad decisions)
Can you trust what you read in the newspaper? Can you trust what you read on the Internet? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Read how to tell the difference below:

What is Quackwatch?
Quackwatch.org is a nonprofit corporation whose purpose is to combat health-related frauds, myths, fads, and fallacies. They characterize the "information" provided by fluoride opponents as propaganda which makes heavy use of "the big lie" and half-truths to deceive the unwary. Read more about the deceptive tactics used by the antifluoridationists below.

Local Misinformation
The "Arcata Citizens for Safe Water" make a number of provocative claims from the established anti-fluoride community in their public statements and on their website. Let's see how some of them stand up to scrutiny:

The FDA has the authority to regulate municipal drinking water?
Fluoride opponents would like you to believe that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) can regulate what is put into municipal drinking water. They provide a snippet of congressional testimony which says that when fluoride is used to treat or prevent disease, it is considered to be a drug and thus is regulated by the FDA. As with many other assertions made by the anti-fluoride camp, the snippet is a half-truth taken completely out of context. It refers to the FDA's mandate to regulate fluoride-containing toothpastes, supplements, mouthrinses and other products (such as the paste used to polish your teeth at the dentist's office). And, in accordance with that authority, the FDA has approved a large variety and number of such products.

However, the FDA does not have jurisdiction over municipal drinking water. The Safe Drinking Water Act gave that responsibility to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The FDA's own website says as much: "The regulation of water is divided between the Environmental Protection Agency and FDA. EPA has the responsibility for developing national standards for drinking water from municipal water supplies. FDA regulates the labeling and safety of bottled water." Click on the link, scroll to the bottom of the page and see for yourself.

So the fluoride opponent's ballot initiative requiring FDA approval of "additives" to municipal drinking water is simply a cynical ploy to eliminate fluoridation because they know (or should know) that it is impossible for the FDA to regulate fluoride in municipal drinking water.

Can you trust anything the fluoride opponents tell you?

Fluoride is toxic?
Fluoride opponents are fond of stating that that the bags containing the sodium fluoride used to fluoridate Arcata's water are labelled "TOXIC." The bags contain pure sodium fluoride and this substance, if ingested in large quantities (such as dipping your spoon into the bag and eating it), is indeed toxic. However, simply because something is toxic under certain circumstances (e.g. high dose) does not make it toxic under all circumstances, and certain "toxic substances" are actually necessary for life. Iodine (which is in the same periodic table group as fluorine) is also toxic when ingested in large quantities. However if iodine were not added to table salt, the incidence of thyroid disease (goiter) would increase because this element is necessary for health. Oxygen administered at 100% under pressure is also toxic, which is why divers do not use pure oxygen. Even pure water can be toxic if one ingests too much of it.

Should we ban oxygen and water?

AMA does not endorse fluoridation?
Two quotes are given on the "Safe Water" website, along with something which could be construed as the American Medical Association logo. These quotes suggest that the American Medical Association does not support community water fluoridation. However, here's what the AMA itself has to say on the topic: "The AMA urges state health departments to consider the value of requiring statewide fluoridation (preferably a comprehensive program of fluoridation of all public water supplies, where these are fluoride deficient), and to initiate such action as deemed appropriate."

Don't just take our word - check it out for yourself on the AMA website: AMA Statement on Fluoridation

The EPA is against fluoridation?
A quote is given on the "Safe Water" website along with something which could be construed as the Environmental Protection Agency logo. The quote suggests that the EPA does not support community water fluoridation. And again, this is highly deceptive! In the first place, the EPA is barred, by law, from either opposing or endorsing fluoridation of municipal water supplies. But they are not barred from making statements about fluoride's effectiveness in fighting cavities or in its safety. Let's see what the EPA really says about the cavity-fighting effectiveness of fluoridation: "Fluoride in drinking water at levels of about 1 ppm reduces the number of dental cavities." (Reference: 51 Fed Reg 1140, 1986.) With regard to safety, the EPA says "There exists no directly applicable scientific documentation of adverse medical effects at levels of fluoride below 8mg/liter." (Reference: 62 Fed Reg 64297, 1997.)



Later on, the anti's site states explicitly that the EPA is against fluoride, and it cites a vote opposing water fluoridation by one local union of the National Treasury Employees Union (Chapter 280) at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). This vote was taken at a meeting attended by less than 20 members of the union which is over 1000 strong. In fact, the "ringleader" of the 20 members who voted to oppose fluoride, Bill Hirzy, is the first to admit that he does not represent the position of the EPA. However, the antifluoridationists tend to see that distinction as unimportant and instead try to mislead the public into believing that the EPA is against water fluoridation.

Fluoride is of no value in diminishing cavities?
Their website says "Fluoride compounds in water and in supplements do not provide any significant cavity-protecting effects." This is an out-and-out fiction with absolutely no basis in fact!

The United States Public Health Service states that "Fluoride has substantial benefits in the prevention of tooth decay. Numerous studies, taken together, clearly establish a causal relationship between water fluoridation and the prevention of dental caries. While dental decay is reduced by fluoridated toothpaste and mouth rinses, professional fluoride treatments and fluoride dietary supplements, fluoridation of water is the most cost-effective method. It provides the greatest benefit to those who can least afford preventive and restorative dentistry and reduces dental disease, loss of teeth, time away from work or school, and anesthesia-related risks associated with dental treatment." In fact, fluoride's cavity-fighting effectiveness is so great that community water fluoridation was hailed as one of the Ten Great Public Health Achievements of the 20th century by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

If you want to find out the truth about the effectiveness of fluoride in preventing cavities, look at this recommendation from the United States Centers for Disease Control which has numerous references from the scientific literature.

You can also learn a lot by going to this webpage at the Centers for Disease Control.

Fluoride banned in Europe?
Antifluoridationists are fond of stating that fluoride has been banned in Europe. What's the truth?

Because their public water systems are both older and of smaller scale than those in the U.S., many European countries (e.g. Germany, France, Spain and Switzerland) find it more cost-effective to provide the cavity-fighting benefits of fluoridation by adding it to table salt (much the way iodine is added to salt in the U.S. to prevent goiter).

Fluoride opponents point to the relatively recent decision of the Swiss Canton of Basle to eliminate fluoridation of drinking water as proof that fluoride has been recognized as harmful, but as usual they don't tell the whole story. What are the facts behind the decision?

In Switzerland both water and salt fluoridation was in use in different regions, with water fluoridation being used in Basle. Fluoridated salt was marked "Not to be delivered to Basle" but in 1995 Swiss Federal law was changed so that the cantons could no longer regulate the salt trade. As a result, in 2000 fluoridated salt began to be sold in Basle. This caused many people to ingest both fluoridated water and fluoridated salt, so the Canton voted to cease water fluoridation in 2003. Since its introduction in 1962 the water fluoridation scheme in Basle had been challenged on the political scene by antifluoridationists. However, the allegations of harm were all regarded as unfounded by the Cantonal Parliament, and this opinion was upheld in the official document leading to the cessation of water fluoridation. The document also restated that the Swiss Federal Court had decided that water fluoridation was constitutional (Reference: J. MEYER and P. Wiehl, Schweiz Monatsschr. Zahnmed 2003). Of course the antifluoridationists conveniently leave out these facts when they tell the story of Basle.

A wide spectrum of health-related organizations, including the health advisory committee of the European Union, and numerous national health authorities in Europe have supported fluoridation for caries prevention. In fact, a recent controversial Belgian attempt to ban food supplements and chewing gum containing fluoride fell afoul of European law after the European commission said that any such ban would be illegal. (Ref: The Guardian 7/31/02).

Does that sound like fluoride has been banned in Europe??? Can you trust people who say that it has been?

Conclusion:
We did not research every claim made by the antifluoridationists, and neither can you, particlularly since they do not provide references which can be researched - which is probably no accident. However, except for the list of communities which have "taken action" against fluoride, every claim that we have checked into has been either highly misleading or a complete fiction. Even their list of communities where "action" has been taken is itself misleading - they've lost many of these battles. Watsonville, for example, was bullied into resisting California state law which requires fluoridation of communities with at least 10,000 hookups. When this case went to court, they lost! In PaloAlto, a referendum to remove fluoridation was defeated 80%-20%. Having lost in Palo Alto (the home of Stanford University), the antifluoridationists are hoping that they can put one over on the citizens of Arcata and the HSU faculty and students.

Quackwatch exposes deceptive tactics used by fluoride opponents:
"The antifluoridationists' ("antis") basic technique is the big lie... it is simple to use, yet surprisingly effective. It consists of claiming that fluoridation causes cancer, heart and kidney disease, and other serious ailments that people fear. The fact that there is no supporting evidence for such claims does not matter. The trick is to keep repeating them -- because if something is said often enough, people tend to think there must be some truth to it.

"A variation of the big lie is the laundry list. List enough "evils," and even if proponents can reply to some of them, they will never be able to cover the entire list. This technique is most effective in debates, letters to the editor, and television news reports. Another variation is the simple statement that fluoridation doesn't work. Although recent studies show less difference than there used to be in decay rates between fluoridated and nonfluoridated communities, the benefit is still substantial. In fact, the Public Health Service estimates that every dollar spent for community fluoridation saves about fifty dollars in dental bills.

"A key factor in any anti campaign is the use of printed matter. Because of this, antis are very eager to have their views printed. Scientific journals will rarely publish them, but most local newspapers are willing to express minority viewpoints regardless of whether facts support them. A few editors even welcome the controversy the antis generate -- expecting that it will increase readership.

"The aim of anti "documents" is to create the illusion of scientific controversy. Often they quote statements that are out of date or out of context. Quotes from obscure or hard-to-locate journals are often used. Another favored tactic is to misquote a profluoridation scientist, knowing that even if the scientist protests, the reply will not reach all those who read the original misquote.

"Half-truths are commonly used. For example, saying that fluoride is a rat poison ignores the fact that poison is a matter of dose. Large amounts of many substances -- even pure water -- can poison people. But the trace amount of fluoride contained in fluoridated water will not harm anyone.

"Experts" are commonly quoted. It is possible to find someone with scientific credentials who is against just about anything. Most "experts" who speak out against fluoridation, however, are not experts on the subject. There are, of course, a few dentists and physicians who oppose fluoridation. Some of them object to fluoridation as a form of government intrusion, even though they know it is safe and effective."
Click here for the complete Quackwatch article.
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