Not on the AW, but I use a Polar H10 chest strap and the HRV Logger app for recording to get an effectively infinite (many hours) recording of beat to beat data in ms. The only downside is I have to download the data after recording to view the whole series on an ancient Polar Windows program, where visually windowing on various pieces of the data are very fast & easy. The HRV Logger app, iby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteSamIAm To me, looking at rhythm strips to find irregular heart beats is kind of like looking at your car odometer changing to figure out car speed... Not going in the way of more convenient, but I've used Polar devices that will record beat to beat or "RR" data for probably 18 1/2 years, starting with the old Polar S810i watch. Around 2014 I migrated, still using a Polar cby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotehds - Unfortunately Apple Watch doesn't seem to give me this data. I tried my Garmin but it seems not be able to record HR accurately in Afib. Numbers are much lower. Currently wearing a holter ( day 2 of 7 ). - The last episode without Metoprolol indicates approx. 110 but with peaks in the 130-160 range. - Typically 4-5 hours. But frequency starts to increase to every other day.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
This guy posted about a consumer ECG device, don't know the cost: I have used Polar H10 straps with an R to R (beat to beat) recording app that was built for researchers. This is a techy solution as you need to download the data through DropBox to a Windows PC (or virtual Windows PC on a Mac). Then do a visual examination of the data using no longer supported Polar software (I have anby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotecolindo What recording monitor are you using? I use a Polar H10 chest transmitter strap connected to an app on my phone, HRV Logger. HRV Logger will export the beat to beat times in milliseconds to files on Dropbox on my phone. I pick up those files and on a laptop and create a file that an ancient Polar program will read & graph (& zoom the data nicely).. This is a techy solutby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteRob Wilson I suppose one or both machines are giving a faulty reading. Any thoughts based on past experience? I have no experience with a BP machine as I've always used a stethoscope & cuff. I do have experience with Polar heart rate monitor chest straps and various devices to capture the chest strap signal. I also have several pulse oximeter devices, some of which can recorby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Here is how a PIP dose of flecainide converts my afib. This is a Google sheet. The Data tab has data from my Polar H10 strap captured with the Heart Rate Variability Logger App. In column A are the beat to beat lengths in ms (milliseconds), col. B is col. A cumulated, col C is the time in col B converted to minutes and col D is col A converted to an equivalent heart rate in BPM. These dby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteLenlec My resting heart rate is 42 to 45 beats per minute at the mo. Run most days gym at night Just don’t want it going to 60 or. 70 Feel great Do I have the ablation? Heart rate increase after pulmonary vein isolation predicts freedom from atrial fibrillation at 1 year "Ablation of atrial vagal ganglia has been associated with improved pulmonary vein isolation (PVI) outcomesby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotePompon Interesting. I don't see great amplitude variations in my tracings while in afib, despite feeling stronger and weaker beats.. That's maybe why my oximeter counts the beats reliably? Here is an example from 14 Jan 21. I converted an afib episode with a breath hold. The green line is the oximeter heart rate. Blue is from a Polar H10 strap captured with the Heart Rate Vby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Zinn & I were going to talk in 2015 as I live ~30 minutes from him. He was early in his afib journey. Because of our schedules, it never happened. He did connect with EP John Mandrola to write the book (which I've not read). Mandrola, also a cyclist, got to experience afib personally. One tip I got from a Mandrola article years ago was to be quiet (i.e. inactive) after taking PIPby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I've used HRV software for years, but mostly to capture the r to r durations from my chest strap and export them to my Polar software - where I can see PAC's & PVC's (and afib). More recently I started using the Elte HRV app. From their page: "Our HRV score process is broken down as follows: We capture the R-R intervals via the chest strap heart rate monitor. Weby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Travis, I started with a (now ancient) Polar S810 monitor (see: < < ) (By the way, the Conference Room link on this page < is broken - this is the broken link < The link on this page < works as < ) There is a dedicated Polar Watch that is an updated version. I'd need to look to figure out which model - very few actually do R to R recording, which is what you need.by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Travis, I run my 25OHD levels at 96 without issue (10,000 IU's/day). On the other hand, I've taken mag at levels up to 5g/day. When I did an RBC mag a year or so ago, it was around 7.6 or 7.9 (don't remember exactly) Dr. Dean says above 6 is fine, though she would have you top out at 6.5 (again from memory) on an RBC test. A lot of my mag was a mag chloride solution I maby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Monty, One comment - Shannon has said Dr. Natale doesn't like them for the reason of getting a good reading. My experience is I get a good reading. I do not use the electrodes in their case attached to the iPhone. I hold them separately so I can easily watch the screen as it is taking the reading. I also always wet (lick) my fingers before I touch the electrodes so I can get good elecby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Anti-Fib and Shannon are correct, runs of PAC's can look like afib. While I get PAC's, I'm not prone to runs of them so consistent high variability is afib for me. Using an R to R Polar monitor or exporting the data from a Polar H7 strap captured on the HRV Logger app (through DropBox) to the Polar software, I can easily tell the difference between PAC's & afib in me. Lby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Tim, I've used a huge amount and a variety of forms of mag to keep myself in rhythm for over 10 years. How do I know that it is the mag that works you ask... Because I've done A B A experiments (mag, no mag, mag). I did one when I'd kept myself in rhythm for 2 years and then thought the fillers in the mag were causing other issues. I quit the mag and had afib within 48 hby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Alex, More thoughts. In your shoes, I'd want to know how much of the time I was in afib. If it is 100% or close to that, you are unlikely to significantly modify the amount of time you are in afib without an ablation (my opinion). If not 100%, I'd like to figure out if my afib has vagal or adrenergic triggers. I can tell if I'm in afib using my radial pulse or a stethosby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Ken, Since you are in Florida, you might see if your HMO would do Sergio Pinski at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston. A number of posters in past years have had great results. Pinski trained under Natale. I referred my cousin to him in 07 and Pinski did a great job for him. Here is a search for Pinski here: < About the HRV logger. The heart rate seems to be each second. This is noby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Mark, I've found that most heart rate monitors average the beat rates for presentation. The (now ancient) Polar S810 and newer Polar RS800CX will report and record beat to beat. This is important, as averaging masks what you are looking for (so does filtering - it must be turned off) - the ectopic beats or afib. The Polar H7 with the HRV Logger app (assuming you have an iPhone) accomplby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Lisa, It can be hard, sometimes as you noted your doc wasn't sure either. So a stethoscope is good to try, but the interpretation may still be unclear. If you have an iPhone, you can get the AliveCor device. The older 4/4s model is on sale < It will work with a later model, just won't attach to it. However attachment is not needed. Here is a search on AliveCor for this sby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
John, There are HRV apps for iPhones (and I presume Androids). I have one that uses a Polar H7 Bluetooth transmitter strap <, HRV logger <. It will give you all the stats. I download my data to a computer (via Dropbox or iTunes) and view it on my old Polar software as it allows for better viewing. However you can look at the data in Excel or on the phone. Georgeby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
"Is there a known breaking point where your afib burden gets so high that ablations become that much more difficult?" I'm no expert, but I think a) when they don't convert on their own and/or b) they last for days/weeks before they convert. For example, though my episodes convert in an hour or two with flec and I can go (most recently) 15 months without an episode, I had aby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Eric, It depends upon your situation. Early on, I found my Polar monitor useful for counting ectopics. I used these counts as a metric as I developed my supplement protocol to keep afib in remission (i.e. lower ectopic counts = better = pointing me in the direction of a successful strategy). Later, I used a $5 iPhone app, Stress Doctor, to confirm afib when I awoke at 3AM and was inby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Barb, An ECG taken in the office usually has many leads rather than just two. This allows them to look at the electrical signature of the heart from many different perspectives. Though I have an AliveCor and for many years before that, a similar two lead ECG for the PC, I tend to rely on my Polar beat to beat heart rate monitor. The output is heart rate (or beat duration in ms) versus timby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Welcome, 1) I use magnesium to bowel tolerance (currently ~4g elemental mag in these forms, glycinate, dimag malate, chloride & bicarbonate), 1-9 g of potassium (1 g is really all I need, the rest is for the bicarb), 4 g taurine/day. I also make sure calcium intake is not overdone. A summary is here: < 2) If you mean ablation - go to Natale 3) Depends on what you want. Holtby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Morpheus, Here are monitoring apps I use: I have an iPhone app, HRV Logger, that communicates with a blue tooth Polar H7 chest strap transmitter (and other blue tooth transmitters, too). You monitor long time series of HR vs time, r to r or beat to beat. The app will output an RR file to Dropbox in CSV format. You can sum the RR beat length times in ms to get the x or time axis. You canby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
Debbie, A monitor might be useful. I have an AliveCor ECG monitor, a simple device that communicates with an iPhone and records an ECG, which can be analyzed. I also use a Polar H7 Bluetooth heart rate transmitter combined with the HRV Logger app for the iPhone. This combination gives the same heart rate vs. time info that is describe for the Polar S810 & subsequent RS800 heart rate monby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I got one a few weeks ago. My heart has been calm since May, so nothing too interesting to report. It works well for a 2 lead ECG. You don't have to use it as a case (good for me since I like my Otterbox case for my phone). You just need to hold close to the phone. It easily creates a page size PDF that you can email or print. In some senses, I like my Polar monitor for long term (hoby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM