QuoteDean This is a post from 15yrs ago by Lee who is a Pediatrician. He had the same trouble and ended up having a Nissan Fundoplication surgery to fix his GERD. It is a very informative post about his journey with GERD and afib. A friend just sent me this article on GERD. Germane to this conversation is this quote from it: "In another study, Curcumin (e.g., CuraMed® 750 mg 2x day)by GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
I can't talk personally about Famotidine being an afib trigger, because when I took it, my afib burden had been zero for many years. As to your "silent "GERD" aka know as LPR (Laryngopharyngeal reflux) I've had some experience. H2 blockers like Famotidine didn't help me much, as is often the case with LPR. Unfortunately it's harder to treat than garden varieby mjamesone - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotebettylou4488 Read this. So what are your thoughts on not doing the priolosec for the month post ablation? I am going to get that book but I am familiar with the concept. I have done Prilosec in the past but that month after my first ablation I did it 'religiously'. II have another ablation on Thursday... IDK what I might want to do.. EPs prescribe PPIs after ablation tby Brian_og - AFIBBERS FORUM
I've ALWAYS this bloated stomach while in afib. Same when I have repeated ectopics. The phenomenon stops in the same time as HR troubles. I've recently had complete stomach and bowels exams, and everything is normal. LES weakness is even not mentioned. I believe it's returned to normal because now I've got rid of those stupid PPIs I took for a while. It's common thby Pompon - AFIBBERS FORUM
Shca67 - What is your CAC ? Did you also take PPIs with exo-calcium? Do you still eat any grains or seeds of grass? wheat, rice, etc ? Tested fasting insulin? Assuming born in 67 - you still have time to regress your CAC. I have been doing it for more than a year and have a 19% annual rate reduction. I know several people that achieve up to 50% annual reduction.by NotLyingAboutMyAfib - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteNotLyingAboutMyAfib Am I the only one here not injecting myself ? I don't know about that, I wasn't until recently. But I take PPIs and my absorption of most vital vitamins is atrocious.by DavrosT - AFIBBERS FORUM
It's interesting. Thanks for the link. PPIs didn't work for me. They made things worse, but the relationship between AFIB and GERD is a well known fact. Many posts here already talk about that. It seems that, in some cases like mine, the problem is not acid reflux, but something more "mechanycally" related. More like some pinching or irritation of the vagus nerve due toby Pompon - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotewindyshores My GERD is bad. I have no idea why. This evening I had the full feeling after eating, and made sure to sit upright. As soon as I lay down I felt palpitations. My doc is Steven Gundry. In his book, "Longevity Paradox" he says, "Okay, okay, enough, you’re saying. What am I supposed to do about my heartburn, Doc? I get it. I (Gundry) used to have horrible heartburnby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey My doc, Steve Gundry, is in your camp on the PPI's causing all sorts of havoc. Is there an informed doctor anywhere who isn't? PPIs have their use, but short-term is almost always a part of that. I guess my Gasterologists are not well informed because many are on PPI’s 24/7. I do what I have to do to get relief. My Family is a Gerd family. It seems to be in our Genby smackman - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGeorgeN My doc, Steve Gundry, is in your camp on the PPI's causing all sorts of havoc. Is there an informed doctor anywhere who isn't? PPIs have their use, but short-term is almost always a part of that.by Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuotejohnnyS Jackie, Are you also taking copper? I know that zinc can deplete copper and I remember Hans writing about the overall importance of copper I know that Dr. Bredesen, with his AlzD/dementia prevention/regression protocol wants to see a Zn/Cu ratio of around 1 in serum. For me, Cu is always fine, but getting Zn up is the issue. I do live in a house with Cu water pipes. Quotewoby GeorgeN - AFIBBERS FORUM
The PPIs cause electrolyte problems and the GERD inflames the esophagus, which abuts your left atrium. In my book, that can’t be good for AF.by wolfpack - AFIBBERS FORUM
Oh geez. Yeah, chronic use of PPIs is a fast track to an effed up GI tract, B12 deficiency, calcium deficiency, osteoporosis, and a few other things I can't recall offhand. Hell, it can even cause or increase GERD. Could it cause afib? Sure, since it screws with electrolyte levels. PPIs aren't meant for long-term use and do more harm than good when used long-term. If you could getby Carey - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Ingrid, Sorry to be slow in responding. QuoteIngrid Hi Madeline, I hope that your GI and coughing issues have subsided by now and that your ablation continues to be a success. I am a new Afibber recently diagnosed and reading as much as I can on this forum. I am 55 year old healthy female that had a recent Afib episode that lasted 10 hours before I converted. This has happened aby Madeline - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jackie, I already take 5000iu daily of the lozenge form of B12: what brand of general B supplement in addition would you recommend? I'm particularly concerned about B12 as I took PPIs for 3 decades up until very recently - no nightshade family foods whatsoever and lots of gobs (gobfulls!) of EV olive oil have helped me get off PPis altogether (that and no alcohol). Mikeby mwcf - AFIBBERS FORUM
Smackman… This is the proverbial ‘rock and a hard place’ scenario. Sorry to read about your struggles. I’m sure you’re frustrated. Has the potential interference of any of the ‘calming’ meds you take been evaluated for promoting the gastric issues? It’s known that Prozac causes acid reflux so one thing promotes another and another med to counteract the first. And it’s also known that antiby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Nancy2 - and for those who decide to try CBD oil, then very thorough research should be done regarding blood thinners and other heart meds as the reports indicate that it can have some interference with the Cytochrome P-450 pathway/system (liver enzymes) mentioned in various that offer cautionary notices. Here’s one list… but remember, this is not “marijuana” but rather the cannabidiol oilby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
I had issues with breathing as well right around the same time as an AFib attack. The breathing issues were quite severe and scary. Turns out the issue was gerd. Drinking black tea especially. All kinds of tests just like you and in the end after a round of PPIs the issue went away. Now I realize that aside from dehydration, eating issues trigger my AFib. Try googling pseudo-dypsnea. Alsoby Brian_og - AFIBBERS FORUM
PPIs don't affect me personally with AFIB, if fact they seem to help ( my fib is especially affected by Gerd and heartburn ), but, I do know that taking them seem to affect bone health, especially feet.(for over ten years, when taking them daily, I had several fractures in my my feet). I weened myself off them, and have no fractures since then. I still take one Aciphex every so oftby lisa s - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi guys, recently been diagnosed with reflux and GP prescribed Esomeprazole. I took initially 2 a day, then down to 1. I completely stopped a couple of weeks ago and reverted to 1 Ranitidine every couple of days which seemed fine. However, the GP has prescribed them again and advised I keep taking. I've read a lot of horror stories about PPIs and I'm not too keen. My main issue wiby DavrosT - AFIBBERS FORUM
Regarding the importance of optimal intracellular magnesium levels .... following are some clips from an old post regarding the importance of magnesium in the body. When you look at the various symptoms that can present as a result of magnesium deficiency, it's an important reminder to be sure you can effectively assimilate and utilize magnesium. Jackie Deficiency There are over 3by Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
No diagnosis of hernia. I had an esophageal ulcer in early 2014 that was caught after a routing physical showed fecal occult blood and low iron in my blood. Subsequent endoscopy found the ulcer. I was on 40mg BID pantoprazole for 6 months until a recheck showed that it had healed. Then I dropped to 20mg BID and continued that until just last year when I decided I did not want to continue long terby wolfpack - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteJackie Billy - I have great empathy for you. You probably read Dean's recent post and the other contributions at this link: The medical focus should be directed by a specialist who can assess and address the gastric reflux caused by the failed lower esophageal sphincter (LES) and hiatal hernia which impacts the vagus nerve. I understand your limitations with health care serviceby Billyjeans - AFIBBERS FORUM
Esophageal cancer is less of a concern than esophageal ulcer. Cancer is slow to develop and if you get in upper endoscopy the precursor will be seen. Ulcers are worse. If they really bleed while you’re sleeping you can choke on congealed blood. In either case, I’d just ask my GP for a referral to a GI doc and make a plan for stopping the PPIs with careful observation. In that context things shoulby wolfpack - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotemwcf Hi Jackie, Noted, but - as is the case in so many similar scenarios - is it not equally likely (or more likely) that the reasons WHY folk are taking PPIs are involved with precipitating arrhythmias more than are the PPIs themselves per se? Looking forward to your upcoming piece on mitochondria and what we can do to try and look after them better! Kind regards, Mike This is aby Billyjeans - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jackie, Noted, but - as is the case in so many similar scenarios - is it not equally likely (or more likely) that the reasons WHY folk are taking PPIs are involved with precipitating arrhythmias more than are the PPIs themselves per se? Looking forward to your upcoming piece on mitochondria and what we can do to try and look after them better! Kind regards, Mikeby mwcf - AFIBBERS FORUM
Another awareness alert reminder in the realm of “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” potential. Note this from 2010.… might be interesting to do a survey here of members who have used PPIs and found an increase in arrhythmia. We certainly know that increased intracellular calcium levels with low IC magnesium is not good. Proton Pump Inhibitors Associated With Focal Arrhythmias Tissueby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
Billy - I have great empathy for you. You probably read Dean's recent post and the other contributions at this link: The medical focus should be directed by a specialist who can assess and address the gastric reflux caused by the failed lower esophageal sphincter (LES) and hiatal hernia which impacts the vagus nerve. I understand your limitations with health care services availableby Jackie - AFIBBERS FORUM
PPIs have a nasty rebound effect. You have to titration down over a few days and then still you should expect up to two weeks of acid rebound until things normalize. I’ve done this myself. Now I take B12 and zinc as supplements to produce MORE stomach acid - the theory being that reflux is caused by too little stomach acid which delays gastric emptying and allows undigested food to push open theby wolfpack - AFIBBERS FORUM