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Carey Interesting story. There is a report of a long community study involving large numbers of participants with no prior history of cardiovascular disease including AF and when they terminated the study there was a strong correlation with AF and low K blood levels. Your approach was based on good science. What I think is interesting is you recognized the need to self monitor K in your case. Tby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi JakeS From my personal experience not only did I reverse my AF to SR with my protocol but I had previously developed evidence of second degree AV blocks ( Mobitztype 1 and a left anterior fasicular block) and both have disappeared. However I still have 2-3 PVC a minute which means at least for me that is not responsive to my protocol. If interested in my protocol search books under ATRIAL Fby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi I agree with the position that potassium ( K ) blood tests are very accurate.Some AF is assiociated with heart failure and consequently placed on diuretics which enhance urinary excretion of Mg and K. Under those circumstances a K supplement and or eating foods fortified with Mg and K is advised. Personally one of the few times I experienced a flare of AF was when I needed an extra dose ofby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Quackertoo Goody question. Mg can cause vasodilation and Mg sulfate infusions are used to treat hypertension associated with eclampsia with pregnant women. By vasodilation it can reduce blood pressure. Mg also can reduce heart rate. Hence as a precaution I mentioned if someone has bradycardia or hypotension , adding Mg could lower either or both and result could be dizziness or fainting. Heby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Jim One further comment I think worthy of discussing about ablation success. You may be symptom free but unless you self monitor your EKGs as I do 3-4 times day( each just 30 seconds for 2 minutes in your day) you may discover something that is often unspoken, namely asymptomatic AF. I have read hundreds and hundreds of stories about post ablation experiences, and what amazes me is I do not hby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi MikeN I would suggest you begin to monitor your heart rhythms 3-4 times a day, 30 seconds each for a total of 2 minutes of your day. You may discover you are having asymptomatic AF even when u feel good. You will need an APP called Kardia to see your EKGs which are interpreted. Alternatively you can do it on an Apple Watch with an iPhone. My background is I am a physician, not a cardiologistby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Time for my 2 cents. Does it matter what you call post cardiac AF? It is still AF whether operative induced or real spontaneous AF. Trying to make AF seem higher or lower makes no sense to me . What makes sense to me is post ablation has a failure rate depending on sources one reads. Frankly I am more interested in why it occurs at a cellular level. If my theory is supported by more studies itby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
All the data I read in the medical literature indicatesl Mg oxides l is possibly the worse Mg supplement because of its low absorption. Yes cheap but basically a good laxative like Mg hydroxide and Mg sulfate . Huggingby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Pamela Jean Simply put your medical history is incredibly complex.I don’t know where u live but if I had your history which I couldn’t because I am a male although males rarely can have breast cancer, I would seek a second opinion at a major well known university med center.. Here is my simple take. Because I believe , now more than ever , as a physician that magnesium supplementation witby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi SteveCarr You may know I am a physician who published a protocol that reflects some of your observations. I support your observations but the difference is my protocol explains the science as to WHY Mg, K, hydration and most importantly ithe need for daily frequent self monitoring EKGs to know when and if one is experiencing AF symptomatically or asymptomatically so u can titrate the needby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi AL 1983 Magnesium can slow heart rate. in part that is why it can be effective controlling rapid AF. I do not know if it would control your problem but given that it has minimal risk you might discuss it with your primary physician. My protocol details magnesium in great detail iin my book which is available online.under Atrial Fibrillation with a cover of a doctor holding binoculars. Bestby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Are you monitoring your EKGs, heart rate and BP. Do u have a history of bradycardia or low BP? If you were my patient I would want you in for re-evaluation as there are too many variables and possible explanations. I believe your primary health care professional and EP would agree with that recommendation.by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Will There is no way to answer your question other than obtain objective data, namely get an EKG. I would also download the Kardia App as the least expensive method for daily self- monitoring (3-4 times a day for 30 seconds each , a total of 2 minutes in your day).. Huggingby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
The issue with calcium is it interferes in the absorption of magnesium where both are absorbed in the small intestine . Avoiding ingestion of Mg and calcium simultaneously makes sense. It may seem reasonable to separate the two by taking Mg in the morning and calcium at night . I would suggest you discuss this approach with your healthcare professional.by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Being a physician with AF, I have investigated Mg supplements and written in detail the need to select a Mg supplement that has a scientific basis for its selection. The reasoning for my comment is as follows: 1. Almost all manufactureres do not publish pharmacokinetic data that provides the following information: (a)% absorption ;(b) time of action; (c) does it provide stable blood concentby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Being a clinical immunologist with AF, I woukd like to respond to this paper. The inflammatory pathway recited relates to allergic inflammation. The only part that relates to AF is mention of IL-6 which is proinflammatory. Its production is stimulated by a more relevant pro inflammatory cytokine , called IL1beta. This cytokine is secreted by signals from unhealthy life styles. IL-1 beta iby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Ken Your history of bioateral pulmonary embolism is interesting to me as a physician with AF, now fortunately under control. I have often wondered whether right atrial clots can form secondary to AF and break off into the pulmonary vein into the lungs.When this occurred was there ever any discussion relating the PEs to AF? My research on this indicates it is possible but rarely discussed as aby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
George You maybe misleading yourself without objective data as I described. Decisions based on symptomatic impressions will miss asymptomatic AF.by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
I return to my broken record. You have no data determining if u are experiencing asymptomatic AF without self monitoring your EKGs as I described.In my opinion if it was me I would need assurance that i do not have asymptomatic AF for many years before coming off Eliquis. Your EP recommendation appears to support the need for Eliquis. Why don’t u ask him why he recommended staying on Eliquis?by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Tobhead For what’s it’s worth as a physician ( not a cardiologist) I have learned personally to monitor my EKGs every day 3-4 times( 30 seconds a total of 2 minutes a day). I converted my AF of 2 yrs ( long standing persistent ) to SR for 18 months with my protocol and I never stopped monitoring it to pick up a rare recurrence of AF that were asymptomatic.I AF recurrences without symptomsby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi George N My premise for correlating unattenuated HRV with AF idepends on being compulsive and record your EkGs for 30 sec every morning,noon, late afternoon ,and at bedtime. Depending on symptoms as an alert can be misleading as if one follows my routine, asymptomatic AF will be more likely detected. Doing that provides data to determine if AF correlates with unattenuated HRV, and converselyby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi you likely have a complete right bundle branch block causing the wide QRS. Normally not serious unless u have other heart problems like heart failure .I have to guess this pattern was present in past EKGs. My suggestion is confirming ithis with your cardiologist. Unless there are some other heart conditions in general it is not considered a serious life threatening heart rhythm. PS I am not aby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
George Doesn’t surprise me. I know 2 people died suddenly of WPW. I also wonder if inherited prolonged QTc would benefit since Mg reduces the QTc interval. Just speculation but knowing about Mg and how it competes with the inhibition of inflammation producing cytokine IL1Beta that inhibits ATPase which is important for intracellular energy, and NSR production If my protocol gets out maybeby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Gleaming I have to express my disagreement that Mg are all just salts. That statement implies to me that they have equivalency and that isn’t the case. First several human and animal studies comparing absorption clearly demonstrate differences, the worse in general are inorganic salts like Mg hydrixyzie, Mg sulfate, Mg boxide. Because they are poorly absorbed they remain in the gut and by osmby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Main issue is your kidney function. Check GFR. And creatinine blood tests which reflect kidney function. Ask your PHP for approval.by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
One other thought. Mg is essential for imperceptibly slowing electrical impulses from the atria at the AV node , allowing, atrial contractions to be complete so all blood volume in atria can empty completely into the ventricles. Without that, heart rates will be higher.. Mg does slow heart rate for that reason so it might help with sinus tachycardia.by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Susan as I mentioned the editorial ‘ Mg for AF, Myth or Magic’ was a response to inconsistent outcomes from Mg sulfate infusions. One explanation is it has a half life of 12 hours and is administered for only a day or two days. The half life for Mg is 6 weeks so unless it is administered continuously the benefit will not be consistent as AF already has a Mg deficit. That is the basic premise Iby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
I agree it’s application is only.for AF based on my personal experience and the supporting articles I cited. The photos I attached are consistent for me so I am curious if anyone with AF has observed the same pattern. For me it’s the canary for recurrence of asymptomatic and symptomatic AF.by Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi I am not a cardiologist but I am a physician with considerable experience in cardiac disorders. Just to be clear are you sure it is sinus tachycardia and not atrial tachycardia The former is common and not serious but the latter can be. Who ever evaluated you would know after looking at your EKG.. Both can be exacerbated by stress, caffeine, nicotine, fevers and exercise. You are on a betaby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM
Carey I’m sorry but after reading your story I was angry at the outrageous medical care you endured. It was frankly your story that stimulated me to write about the need to help others about my protocol. My experience is real and please understand I would never have written my story and jeopardized my 50 years of academic reputation unless my data was confirmed statistically. Realizing the counby Hugging - AFIBBERS FORUM