Sam: Then perhaps Mag/pot, too much exercise and stress have nothing to do with people getting AF, I have always believed that we have a genitic bend for AF, I have it in my family and many on this board have said the same thing. Why is it that many have tried the protocols espoused on this board and still get AF and eventually a lot opt for ablations. A healhy lifestyle makes a difference iby Elizabeth H. - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
From the first post, 3nd reference: The Fluoride Poisoning Conspiacy “I know of absolutely no, and I mean absolutely no means of prevention that would save so many lives as simply to stop fluoridation, or don’t start it where it is otherwise going to be started. There you might save 30,000 or 40,000 or 50,000 lives a year, cancer lives. That is an awful lot of lives a year.” Dr. Dean Burkby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
FiveBox, Millions of people are deficient in Magnesium and/or Potassium and don't get Afib. Millions of people exercise too much and don't get Afib. Millions of people suffer from stress and don't get Afib. Etc, etc. This doesn't change the fact, as seen time and again on this forum, that large numbers do get Afib for these very reasons. Your statement that millions drinkby Sam - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
We shall see long term, however there are more than a few scientists and doctors at the World Health Organization and the American Dental Association who don't agree- And to my main point, if you are an afibber, you need not worry about fluoride as an afib trigger.by Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
The West Virginia University Rural Health Research Center says that fluoride doesn’t even prevent cavities; Water fluoridation and Dental health indicators in Rural and Urban Areas of the US the toxic effects of fluoride are well documented, just google it. It's all there if you are willing to look. Personally I believe those organizations that you mentioned will sooner of later beby Adrian - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Hi Adrian, There are lots of viewpoints on this issue. I have read plenty of the posts of people who are against fluoridation. Some people very well may have legitimate concerns, others may have an axe to grind for some other reason. Hans is against fluoridation, although in an earlier post he said he saw no connection between fluoridation and afib (he opposes it for other reasons). I haby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
EB, Have you actually read the information that Erling has posted links to or do you just know that its wrong? Edit: Never mind I just read some more of your replies Adrianby Adrian - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
This thread is pretty worn out, so to make the reading more interesting, here's a few chemists' jokes: those chemists are a wacky group... Q: Did you hear oxygen went on a date with potassium? A: It went OK. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We would like to apologize for not adding more jokes... but we only update them.... perioby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Erling, You don't need to be a chemist to understand that millions of people drink fluoridated water every day, and they all stay in NSR. Does that bother you somehow? It is really a good thing, and their teeth are stronger too. EBby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Taking the fluonine / fluoride tutorial a bit further -- -- Fluorine (F) is the element, Atomic No. 9 in the Periodic Table of Elements Clicking chemical symbol F brings up Fluorine: the essentials "Fluorine is a Group 17 element. Fluorine is the most electronegative and reactive of all elements. It is a pale yellow, corrosive gas, which reacts with practically all organic and inorganby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Hans, I do not claim to be a chemist, however is there any confusion about the subject of this thread? This thread deals with fluoridation of water; if there is anyone who doesn't understand that, then they probably got lost in one of Erling's links. In the very first post, Erling uses the term fluorine as well as fluoride. IMHO the average layperson or reader of this websiteby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
EB, It would be desirable if you, and others, discussing this subject could make sure you make a clear distinction between fluorine and fluoride. Fluorine is a higly reactive gas which is definitely not found in its free form in nature. As a matter of fact it takes some highly complicated processes to produce it. Fluoride is a compound of the fluorine ion and another inorganic or organic moby Hans Larsen - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
No reason to check with anybody- millions drink it every day and millions stay in NSR. That's the fact, jack.by Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
"But so what?" What ??? Check with Dr. Connettby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Interesting "fact" Erling. But so what? Millions drink fluorinated water every day and stay in NSR- so your "fact" is meaningless. Fluorine paranoia is a great time waster. People talk about it but it doesn't really mean anything other than prevention of tooth decay.by Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Hi Liz - your good quote is a factual statement for theories, but don't confuse "theory" with "fact". Or do you believe there is no such.thing as "fact"? Theory: "A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena. . ." Fact: "Something concrete used as a basis for further interpretation." It's a concrby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Liz is absolutely correct and there is plenty of scientific data supporting the great benefit of fluoridation. Of course, based on Jackie's theory, fluorine occurs naturally so you will not be able to avoid it. Millions ingest it every day-by Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Erling: "A scientific theory is empirical, and is always open to falsification if new evidence is presented. That is, no theory is ever considered strictly certain as science accepts the concept of fallibilism. The philosopher of science Karl Popper sharply distinguishes truth from certainty. He writes that scientific knowledge "consists in the search for truth", but it "by Elizabeth H - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Hi Liz - Adrian is absolutely correct. If what you say was true it would mean there aren't any facts, only conflicting opinions thought to be facts. Please read everything with understanding -- it's the only way to get at the truth.. I hope by now you've watched the 1/2 hour interview with Christopher Bryson, author of The Fluoride deception. It was presented in the first poby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Both sides have their scientists, thats why there is arguments about who is right. Lby Elizabeth H. - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
So the way I see this fluoride debate is that on one side (pro fluoride) you have the industry lobbyists, bureaucrats and various government officials. On the other side you have scientists. Yet Govt. wins. Adrianby Adrian - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
I am not going down that road except to say that perhaps the cannabis might allieviate the fluorine paranoia (or it might make it worse OMG!)by Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
FiveBox Look into Hemp Oil as a cancer and other cures. Youtube has plenty of video's about it. Rick Simpson is the one who is into it. Maybe with the legalization of it in some states, Hemp Oil will be available legally soon. There's video's on how to make it yourself on Youtube :-)by Todd - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
I noticed that Todd's post had a sidebar "What if canabis could cure cancer?" Now that is worth studying. Twenty-some years ago there was a US TV program called "The X-Files"; the two main characters were convinced that a goverrnment conspiracy and cover-up had hidden information related to aliens landing on earth in the 50's. It also dealt with more serious thiby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Erling: I don't know this person whom you claim I quoted, I quoted no one, I am not advocating flouride, as I understand it, flluoride is a by-product of Al. You brought up R. Carson, I remember the book, I also know that DDT which R. C. helped to eradicate, and because of it, many are dying today of malaria. If you can't understand that in some instances some pesticides have savedby Elizabeth H. - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Thanks for the article, Todd --- People are definitely waking up to the facts, largely due to amazing work by people like Chemistry Professor Paul Connett, PhD and his team at Fluoride Action Network See OUR TEAM Dr. Paul Connett bio: Dr. Paul Connett's website "Dr. Paul Connett is the Director of the Fluoride Action Network (FAN), and the Executive Director of its pareby Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Todd, Here is another one: and this Canadian city has a population of over a million people. Hansby Hans Larsen - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Just wondering, Liz --- by "do-gooders" do you also mean the person you quoted? Dr. Albert W. Burgstahler, former president of the International Society for Fluoride Research and Emeritus Professor of Organic Chemistry, University of Kansas.by Anonymous User - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Dental fluorosis rates in the U.S. Fluoride Removal Victory in New Yorkby Todd - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
"In much the same way biologist Rachel Carson warned us over forty years ago in Silent Spring about the havoc and harm being caused by the misuse of persistent pesticides, Because of Rachel Carsons book, thousands of children and adults have died----DDT was outlawed because of the scarce tactics of the book "Slient spring", DDT was sprayed to kill the mosquitos in third world coby Elizabeth H. - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM