Plus, THE KEY is that the "high" Vit D levels MUST be combined with a so-called "LOW" Ca intake for successful elimination of ectopics and afib like GeorgeN and myself. VitD increases Ca absorption from the gut and decreases Ca excretion (along with other effects on Ca homeostasis -- see below). So high VitD with high Ca intake (or for Westerners that means everyone with soby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
JohnnyS : Now learning that you use that much Mg per day, at a very low Ca intake, one wonders whether if (ie I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out) that has something to do with your otherwise very curious observation of serum Ca and ectopics increasing whenever you increase Vit D. They all act on each other, and the feedback loops are so labyrinthine that nothing would surprise unless yby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Catherine: Dried cranberries I haven't tried (as a regular dose for afib), but the only common ones here are loaded with sugar anyway. Fresh are unavailable here. I permanently use frozen, which are no-added-sugar and are perfectly economical (need to blend them with other fruit/veg to eat any quantity). More details on my website.by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
johnnyS: The diet you indicate does sound as though it could reflect a Ca intake below 200mg, depending upon what quantity of salmon you are talking about and whether you eat the bones -- but probably you've looked at that since you're obviously taking it seriously. According to what you write, there are no other obvious traps like the Ca-fortified flours/grains/cereals that are so commby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks to all who have responded. Please excuse my brevity in the following replies (listed in the same order as the responses to my post above). mwcf : Yes, "reducing (rather than increasing) Ca", is what I'm suggesting too (and what I do). I tried to make that clear. The minutiae of exactly what happens by the time we get to the intracellular level are just one more thingby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks to all who have responded. Please excuse my brevity in the following replies (listed in the same order as responses to my post above). Gill : Yes, Katesshadow's Ca was low not high, yet the fix appears to be low Ca intake (at highVitD). That is the entire "paradox" that I'm highlighting, and what I'm suggesting is the obscuring factor that has prevented recby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Four topics below this one is the topic of "Low Calcium Related to Heart Rhythm", with a first post by Katesshadow. IMHO that first post and the initial two replies to it are absolutely central to the cause and remission of much Lone atrial fibrillation, and the whole issue should receive MUCH wider coverage and debate so that more people can enjoy the benefits of complete remissionby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
I’ve previously commented on this site (although not for quite a while: eg before Carey was a regular contributor I think) about my own complete remission from 10 years of severe paroxysmal Lone Afib and extremely frequent ectopics, without ablation or medication. I also provided a link to my own website where I describe in detail how that was and is accomplished. I do not normally post here simpby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
This thread is excellent. There's consensus that reviving and clarifying "The List" and all the various reports of non-ablation success is of paramount importance. Those are what set this site apart and what truly need to be brought back to centre stage. Combined with some evidently active and motivated new posters, the scene would be set for ongoing experimentation and improvementby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Hi Ben, In my opinion, it is reckless to go for an ablation at your age without ensuring you have done all possible to avoid it. Have you ensured that your vitamin D is DEFINITELY at a level of 70 ng/mL (~170 nmol/L)???? You need a blood test for that, and unless you spend a lot of time shirtless in the sun, or are taking around 5,000 iu of vitamin D per day, it is CERTAIN that it is not.by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
George and Jackie, Just small points: George -- it wouldn’t be amazing if your calcium intake was now even lower than before your stress-eating calcium episode, understandably due to extra-rigorous dietary scrutiny (if even subconsciously) resulting from the return of afib from that calcium. If that is the case, you may well have much more room to reduce magnesium than thought. But as I said bby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
As posted on this site a while ago, after nine years of increasing afib attacks, peaking at several hours duration every eight days, I've now been totally free of both afib and ectopic beats for approaching two and a half years -- achieved by diet alone, without using supplements or medication of any kind (and without an ablation).* In the very recent thread: ”24 years ago the stage wasby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Many thanks to those who've read and commented. Answers to questions: Colindo: no, I don't take statins or any medications of any kind (maybe two acetaminophen tablets per year). I completely doubt that it's cholesterol, or any variations in levels of it, that's had any bearing on the presence or absence of afib. I've always had exceptionally "good" cholesteby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Providing all available info about the diet seemed like the right approach, but maybe the quantity of info obscured the main point I was trying to make, which is: There are contributors to this Forum who already avoid afib, without surgery or medication, using low calcium intake and high vitamin D intake. However, they also seem to employ large amounts of supplements, and it isn't clearby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Greetings, Hopefully there is some good news in this item for many who visit this site. I’ve just placed an article on the web entitled: “A treatment protocol producing complete elimination of frequent, severe, Paroxysmal Lone Atrial Fibrillation without use of surgery or medication: strong indications of the unknown cause(s) of LAF” The title accurately summarises the information thaby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM