rocketritch, I'm hoping that you are noting the multiple warnings in earlier posts above, and that you are reducing your Ca intake if you are increasing your VitD; not emulating what Mike (mwcf) has accidentally done in the post immediately before yours -- increased his ectopics by increasing VitD without a Ca reduction, or apparently even accidentally increasing his Ca intake.by SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
I know that you saw the following, Susan, when I posted it in your earlier thread re this subject. But re-posting for any others it might be relevant to. There are at least a couple of recent-ish studies showing a U-shaped curve for doses of Omega-3 vs afib, with an optimum at ~0.6 gms/day. Here is a para from my most recent update, on my website carrafibdietinfo.com that details my own sucby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
I have just posted more info on the General Health Forum topic thread "Afib elimination via calcium and vitamin D control without ablation", including about my ~88 y.o. father's successful elimination of his paroxysmal lone afib by the same technique.by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
A few more comments: George is correct, above, that literally billions of people in countries with ~300 mg/day Ca-intakes do not get osteoporosis. In the past, it was fashionable for Western commentators to say: “Well, they don’t live long enough”. But lifespans have rocketed through most of these areas and, apart from those who have adopted more Western habits, the lower osteoporosis rates remaiby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
MWCF, Interesting articles (even though, as you no doubt thought yourself, I don’t see a direct connection to me or my family members.) The first article’s discussions of Calsequestrin, just one of the many biochemical players in the exquisitely sensitive Ca-homeostasis machinery, is primarily related to its role in ventricular arrhythmias (and related sudden-death phenomena). Just to be cby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
There are at least a couple of recent-ish studies showing a U-shaped curve for doses of Omega-3 vs afib, with an optimum at ~0.6 gms/day. Here is a para from my most recent update, on my website carrafibdietinfo.com that details my own successful complete elimination of afib and ectopics without ablation or medication : Regarding omega-3 fats, which health-conscious people often go out of tby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dean, This is certainly something I've wondered about, a lot, myself -- being a very large milk consumer all my life until I discovered my afib connection -- and often including my own reflections that, like you, I'd never had a broken bone despite plenty of traumatic impacts (certainly not moaning about that aspect of my calcium metabolism tho -- three of them were on my spine, twoby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Upon looking back at copious past notes which I have about increasing VitD levels rapidly (I have notes on all my past experiments etc), I see that the figures I gave in the "ten dot point" post above, which Dean requested for doing that, are accurate for me -- I weigh 70kg. However, I see that, for my wife, her levels increased more rapidly using equal 20,000iu daily doses -- presumablby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
cirenepurzalot : There is no need for any Ca test unless a doctor says you definitely have symptoms which warrant one – very unlikely! The problems we are discussing (ectopics etc) occur while the Ca is still within the normal reference range for blood levels of that element. As far as I know, all of the info that is needed to test the Ca/VitD approach is in the posts above, and I am wary ofby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
One unfortunate thing that I've just realised, which perhaps should have been more obvious, is that attempting the "Full test" of Ca/VitD outlined in the ten "dot point" procedure above, which Dean requested, would be much more difficult than usual if started right now! The festive season is a hard time to minimise Ca intake! If all that people succeed in doing is gettby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
The Anti-Fib : I have just added a new post to the original topic, some of which relates directly to your very interesting info.by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Following are some further thoughts and info, in case they assist anyone to get their heads around what is involved. I had already written this (all the black text), but wasn't sure whether to post it. But following "The Anti-Fib's" new report, in the Topic on the main forum, of his likely current success by Ca reduction, I am posting this because it covers his situation, amonby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
For people's comfort, perhaps I should have clarified that the sort of VitD doses I am talking about are known to be completely harmless. Immensely greater doses are given to patients by the medical profession all the time. I have suggested 20,000 iu/day as a loading dose for a period of up to ~ten days maximum (but only for as many days as your own prior VitD testing indicates, as per my poby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
-- moved topic --by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Dean : I'm worried about annoying everyone with so many long posts. But you're right that dot points are always easier to interpret than dense blocks of text. So, following is a dot point version of what I would say is a "proper", test -- one done so as to yield the clearest result in the shortest time (within reason). So that the "action" dot points are as simby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Sorry about all these posts. Colindo : On re-reading, your post could possibly imply that you envisage chucking in more VitD but with no Ca-intake reduction. Hopefully that is my wrong interpretation, but if that is correct then I seriously don't recommend that for anyone who already suffers from ectopics/afib. In fact, knowing what I know now, and if I was about to trial lower Ca-intaby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Thank you for your various kind comments. Re VitD testing : yes, it is inconvenient and the cost is annoying (altho I'd say totally justified and recommended for the benefit one can gain). It's possible to say the following things to help a bit: 1) Unless anyone gets pretty heavy solar exposure they are certainly gonna be able to take 2,500iu per day (which is another readily avaiby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Here is the post that I entered yesterday on the separate "Staying out in front of afib?" Topic thread in response to another poster's question directed to GeorgeN: "Why have you never had an Ablation to tame the AFIB BEAST instead of the strict regimen you seem to religiously adhere to?" . Decided it is best to put the related stuff that I have to say all in one place.by SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Thank you all for your replies. Three people have raised VitK, and you have reminded me that I specifically meant to be very clear about that in my website article, as follows, because it had previously occurred to me that people might wonder if it had some direct roll in my afib/ectopics control. I can be certain about this (at least in my case). Because VitK and its known effects on Ca meby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
FWIW, my take on the sorts of things you are asking (but we are getting deep into what are clearly still not fully scientifically understood aspects of the exquisitely controlled calcium metabolism system -- otherwise modern medicine would easily ensure that no one had osteoporosis, no-one had calcification of their vasculature, etc -- so this is more speculative on my part compared to the simplby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
For nearly seven years I have been free of afib (previously a very heavy sufferer of Lone AF), and free of ectopic beats except for minor occurrences when experimenting, without having used either ablation or medications. Full details of my approach are at the link below. The site was in need of an update. Well, in the Topic, below, "Staying out in front of afib?" the question was asby SteveCarr - GENERAL HEALTH FORUM
Re smackman's question (tho also very relevant to bkimura's original post and others) : I usually just glance at what's occurring on this site and don't post, due to time considerations. But Smackman's post and question to George provokes me to answer, and my answer has stuff in common with George's: Compared to eliminating afib by diet etc, ablation = absolute laby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Might be some mix-ups of mgs and mcgs there? Dozens or hundreds of mgs of K2 is hugely above, from memory, what's required to achieve 100% carboxylation of all relevant proteins?by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Two cups of cranberries per day. Bought frozen, unsweetened. There is a frozen-berry chain here (Australia) which sells 1Kg packs.by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Barbara : 1) Yes, I pretty-much avoid grains -- but I'm not fanatical about it. Maybe a grain-containing food once per week in some treat or other. I am more rigorous about dairy -- I know by heart now (in more ways than one!) what the calcium contents of foods are, and since I eat 6 eggs per day the amount of calcium in those alone leaves basically no room for dairy! But again, I might hby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Barbcat : I currently consume 420mg of calcium per day and 5,000 IU of D3 five days per week (ie 25,000 IU per week). I have ZERO afib and ZERO ectopics at those levels. That amount of VitD keeps my serum (blood) VitD at a "Paleo" level, ie about 165 nmol/L or 65 ng/ml -- or what people naturally plateau at if they spend a lot of time with much skin sun-exposed. That dose keeps it arby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
JDfiB, I don't take any medication, and as far as I know, neither does GeorgeN (at least not regularly).by SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
In the earlier 06/01/2019 thread “Aura Migraines/AFIB”, it was revealed that at least two individuals who suffered from both Afib and Aura Migraines have eliminated both ailments by reducing their total dietary calcium intake (substantially). Beyond those specific cases, it is fairly common knowledge on this site, but not sufficiently discussed, that at least some reduction of afib burden canby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
Interesting thread. I’ve had many aura migraines, for over 50 years since my teens, as has my son, now 28, since his teens. We were both always heavy consumers of milk (and therefore calcium). Since I have slashed my Ca intake to eliminate my Afib (as per my website carrafibdietinfo.com and a few posts on this site), my migraines have plummeted and the rare ones I now have are tiny compared tby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM
mwcf: Some reasons for believing 300mg of Ca/day certainly is enough for overall health fall into at least the following four categories (more info on my website: https://www.carrafibdietinfo.com). 1) The fact that it is a typical intake in most non-Western parts of the world – places with much lower rates of osteoporosis (and, previously, much lower rates of cardiovascular diseases) -- alby SteveCarr - AFIBBERS FORUM