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I’ve been taking high doses of mag for over 14 years. It is a cornerstone of my afib remission program. I’m unusual, but I routinely take 3-5g a day without issue.
What Wolfpack said about heathy kidneys.
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George,
Back in the old days, you were among those from whom I learned good stuff. I recall that you were an endurance athlete and continued doing stuff, albeit at lower intensity.
I too take lots of magnesium - 1.8 grams daily - and tolerate fairly well. but I'm intrigued by the Jigsaw slow release, which advertises better absorption and less digestive mischief. Do you have any experience with that option?
Steve
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George,
Back in the old days, you were among those from whom I learned good stuff. I recall that you were an endurance athlete and continued doing stuff, albeit at lower intensity.
I too take lots of magnesium - 1.8 grams daily - and tolerate fairly well. but I'm intrigued by the Jigsaw slow release, which advertises better absorption and less digestive mischief. Do you have any experience with that option?
Steve
Steve, no I don't. I can take many grams of mag at one time without bowel issues.
I think, like many things, the body adapts over time. Hence my bowel tolerance has increased over these 14 or so years.
I haven't done an Exatest since I started taking mag. I did do one right before I started. As I recall, my mag was just below the bottom of the range and calcium was high. In the last few years, I've done RBC mag and I come out in the high 7's (6.5 is supposed to be the top of excellent). I tried backing off what I take to lower it and started getting afib breakthroughs. I know Dr. Joe Mercola and chatted with him about it. He said we just don't know what is optimal for you. @Johnny has a great looking Exatest and it is obviously working for him. <[www.afibbers.org]
I'm sure I urinate out huge quantities. The mag gets past the bowel, but I seem to need to have a gradient to get it into the cells. I've chatted with a variety of docs about it and nobody has a good answer.
All I know is I need to take large quantities to stay in NSR and I don't seem to have any negative consequences from doing so. My wife (non afibber) has a bowel tolerance just above 200 mg mag/day. Hence we are all very different.
George
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Interesting about your Exatest George. Mine in 2010 gave 31.8 Mg (range 34-42) and 7.0 Ca (range 3.0 - 5.0) - pretty abysmal. I'm certain my own heart irritability (familial on mother's side) arises as a result of Ca and Mg handling abnormalities across the cell wall channels. My serum levels are always MOR. Do you have the info to hand as to exactly what your own tested levels were? I recall your previous brie-eating frenzy dramatically fertilised the ground for AF for you and this obviously ties in with your high Ca levels as tested. Maybe I need to revisit the Mg deal...... I suppose I'd kind of given up on it a bit thinking:
a) My IC results were so bad there was/is no way I could try and counter it as it's likely a familial/genetic thing;
b) What MG supplementation I have tried over the years has made zero difference whatsoever to either AF or ectopics (although I likely just didn't stick with it long enough - too impatient Type A personality...);
c) I recall PC (Pat Chambers) here on this forum years ago getting Exatests before and after about a year of furious Mg supplementation and his results had hardly shifted for the better.
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But it's certainly stood you in good stead - and with you and I both having a history of high Ca levels what works for you...??. I suppose the question is.... how much of your excellent record is down to Mg supplementation and how much to everything else you do - not least your strict keto approach?? I'm slowly getting there with the keto, most obvious carbs pretty much out but I do still eat a lot of fresh pineapple, raspberries and cherries and really don't fancy giving those up! Somewhat unbelievably, I still struggle a bit with the wine.... at the moment 4 days mid-week nada but I still get tempted at weekends (10-20 units - yes I know.... way too much). This is now Friday and the challenge for this weekend is no booze at all despite a fairly heavy social agenda....not easy!!
EDIT: BTW; what is your own current Mg (and K) protocol these days please George?? I am going to have another go with this. OK so maybe my IC levels of Ca and Mg are way out of whack. But I always see AF as something that happens when one - via whatever means - reaches the 100 level. If I'm on 98 as I write, then maybe thorough Mg supplementation might not set me right IC levels-wise but it might drop that 98 to 96! At least I know - from Prof Jais - that I've got no signs of fibrosis (he found no low-voltage areas whatoever and this I am encouraged by) so maybe the supplementation is worth another shot as aforementioned.
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When you were talking with Dr. Mercola about the individual variations in Mg optimization, did he happen to mention anything about the potential for damaged Mg receptor sites in the cell's outer layer due to ROS damage?
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I look at the other stuff I do, cold baths, being out in the sun with few clothes winter or summer, exercise within the constraints of it not being long combined with intense and so on as part of my experiment to have health span and life span coincide as closely as possible. I'm well aware that what I do has risk and I don't advocate that anybody follow. I will try many things and use myself as my control, my EP said this was a perfectly valid approach when I originally suggested my approach as a Plan B to his "just stay out of rhythm" suggestion.
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Another thing I focus on is sleep and avoiding sleep apnea. Years ago, I noticed that the patterns on heart rate vs. time graph recorded overnight suggested possible apnea (an afib risk and I try to investigate, explore and extinguish any risks). To mitigate this, I started taping my mouth shut. Here is a reference <[www.snoring.ie] using this tape <[correctbreathing.com] .Quote
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post on RBC vs Exatest (and an excellent one at that!) consuming Jigsaw SRT magnesium malate (time-release). This is the study the company quotes <[www.tandfonline.com] and they use RBC mag as their metric. I always test in the high 7's.Quote
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3/4 married to a 4/4 actually. I posted about addressing this <[www.apoe4.info] . When I tested myself in 2014, I looked around and asked who has clinical experience with these SNP's? Turns out Steven Gundry in Palm Springs had been testing all his patients for ~15 years at that time. One of his observations is that saturated fat increases sdLDL & oxLDL in 4's. In the above link, there is a link to what we do address this. (I'm well aware Gundry has a supplement business - this is not what this is about. He is an excellent clinician. He considers us all voluntary participants in an ongoing study. Lastu summer, our labs went to 25 pages from 5 different companies. Many of the metrics are not commonly tested.) 4's are prone to inflammation. This is an issue with both heart and brain. Hence Gundry tests many inflammatory markers and we try to stay well in range on all of them. As a cardiologist and cardiothoracic surgeon, we've discussed my afib experiments. He thinks they are very interesting.Quote
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Amazing values George! Have you had a genetic test and analysis? Bet you are not an AppE 4/4
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Nasal breathing: check out my friend Brian MacKenzie's work at Power Speed Endurance (not necessarily for athletes) and the Oxygen Advantage. Really good information that relates to ANS regulation and heart rate.
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Without carbs I can stay out in the sun for long periods of time with no sunburn - and I'm paper white, fair-skinned.
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George:
Does Dr. Gundry have any advice for Atrial Fib.?
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Wonder if your wife is keto adapted as well and how she is faring? Don't answer if this question is too intrusive.
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Hi George,
Thanks for the post on the values of your wife's tests!
Looks like i would have lost betting on 4/4s not being suitable for keto adaption.
Must have gotten the wrong impression from listening to Peter Attia M.D. mentioning that some people aren't candidates for a keto diet like his friend, Zubin Damania, M. D. for example.
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George:
Do you really think that the protocol that you are following is really healthy? If you are fasting and don't eat much, how does your body get enough nutrients?
Liz
Item Average Minimum Maximum Energy (kcal) 2167.46 1800.55 2495.41 Carbs (g) 122.11 87.89 179.42 Fiber (g) 51.30 44.36 66.14 Protein (g) 52.04 34.61 69.84 Fat (g) 175.04 142.54 212
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Lots of vegetables and a little fruit, I know you said you eat eggs but I don't see any meat listed, I thought you did eat meat. I wonder why it is that I have to eat meat to get my protein without it I have no energy. I do eat veggies and fruit but couldn't live on it. From what you have said you can do all that you do on what you eat is amazing.
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George, imagine if everybody decided to eat like you - Lots of hospital space could be used for low cost housing and doctors would have to get part time jobs
I can see the value in what you are doing but i am doubtful i could do it for any length of time. Managed keto for a few weeks but i like fruit too much. My longest fast (prior to AF) was 5 or 6 days which was ok. Not game to do it now because of fear of triggering AF and my BMI is 20
I do not eat for 14 to 16 hours in a 24 hr period. Fingers crossed it's enough for autophagy to kick in and some new cells after?
Also weary about fasting because of slightly high TSH.
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