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Shannon
Good point SAFIB,
And that is one reason why I wound up running total of 9 EXAtest tests for myself back in the day when AFIB/Flutter was still a big problem for me, to try to see if there were any consistent levels that at least correlated with my symptoms? And I did find that to be the case. Although, with 9 test samples it was obviously limited data to draw any firm conclusions from, nevertheless, at the time I cross-checked each EXAtest with RBC tests drawn on the same morning as each of the 9 EXAtest scraping samples taken.
One seeming constant I found was that I clearly needed to take in very large doses of Magnesium for my EXAtest reading to really respond by moving off the super low readings on their scale I always showed in the early testing. And thus I need a large dose combination of 3 grams of IV Mag Sulfate in a Myers cocktails once a week for a two month period, plus 2 grams intramuscular injection of Mag Sulfate 3 days a week evenly spaced over the same total duration, and in addition to 15 sprays of Ancient Minerals Topical Mag each evening, PLUS 700mg a day of the oral Mag Glycinate!!
Only then could I move my EXAtest into a modest 'normal' range on their own scale with me achieving, at best, only a max level of 37 from my previous strongly & frankly low intracellular EXAtest levels of around 31 when taking just 800mg to 1,000mg a day of oral Magnesium glycinate as my only supplemental magnesium intake per day. These initial more or less typical doses of oral-only Mag recommended for Afibbers had little to no noticeable effect on arrhythmia suppression for me until I increased my mag intake dramatically.
After discussing my findings with Dr. Burt Silver who created the EXAtest in concert with NASA for the purpose of doing ion testing in space, and from his suggestion that, like many Afibbers he had seen take the EXAtest, I likely had a genetic wasting syndrome where my body ran through whatever magnesium I took in relatively quickly, seemed to his hypothesis as to why I likely needed such large and frequent doses of various forms of Mag to even get my levels off the floor.
Once I had moved to the mega-dosing range via Oral, IV, IM and Topical routes of Mag, not only did my symptoms show a significant reduction in both Ectopic runs and a notable, but not at all total, reduction in AFIB/ Flutter burden over the next year, but there was also a decent correlation with my last few EXAtest readings over the same time frame with my numbers finally moving off the floor to the 37 level which is 'low-normal' to 'moderate-normal' on their scale.
Moral of my experience was that it can be deceptive if one is taking a typical oral dose of Mag and your intracellular levels via EXAtest don't show much progress off the the low range. That doesn't necessarily mean the test is infective for you, and it may well indicate, as it seems have done with me, that I simply needed a bucket load more Mag to raise my needle at all.
Also, after 16 years of progression of my AFIB/Flutter, in late 2007 I had a Pro-Arrhythmic one-to-one flutter episode when taking a FLEC PIP dose one early morning when (and note: this never happened at least a dozen times I took the FLEC PIP previously). But this time there FLEC PIP without any BB or CCB on board, flipped me into aggressive persistent AFIB that was non-stop regardless of many unsuccessful interventions to stop it, until I finally got rid of the entire mess with a two part expert ABL process with Andrea Natale over a decade ago.
One other point, once you find an overall Mag intake dose that correlates reasonably closely with symptoms, I see no need at all to continue with expensive EXAtest dosing since while there wasn't a fine-tuned correlation between the same day EXAtests and RBC Mag tests I did, at least they all told the same general story of either a lower or higher repletion level of Magnesium that were pretty consistent with each other.
Shannon
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johnnyS,
Have you tried recommended medical treatments for ectopy, like low dose beta blockers, calcium channel blockers, or other antiarrhythmics ? Low dose prophylactically can be at very small dosages with a potentially different profile for side effects and sustained efficacy than conventional dosages. For example, Flecainide might be prescribed at 25 mg or less for this purpose, which is far less than PIP treatments. I had a lot of success with very low dose Propranolol (5 - 10 mg daily depending on how I felt) for some mixture of PVCs and PACs with no side effects. Which med and what dosage seems to require some experimentation which my EP was willing to do. For example, I have classic vagal afib but the Propranolol was effective. Interestingly, at this very low dose of Propranolol I had less side effects than Magnesium supplementation, where the latter aggravated my bradycardia.
I don't read much about this approach here, the emphasis is on Magnesium and supplements. Maybe others have tried it and it doesn't work for them. Or tried conventional dosages and had a hard time with side effects.
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I have been using Cardiovascular Research Mag Taurate in the morning but recently discovered it was found high in arsenic in 2016 and there doesn't seem to be any way to find out if they eliminated the cause.
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Shannon
Good point SAFIB,
And that is one reason why I wound up running total of 9 EXAtest tests for myself back in the day when AFIB/Flutter was still a big problem for me, to try to see if there were any consistent levels that at least correlated with my symptoms?