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There is some back and forth on how effective it is to thin blood and break up clots but from all the research i have done and tons of testimonials from users it seems outstanding for doing things that even heavy pers. thinners cannot do
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What are the examples of near death experiences? There have been a couple of people on this board that had a stroke and were on blood thinners. That is just on here we don't know about the general population. I know of 3 people that have had strokes and did not have AF.
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.but for the moderate to good/great people's heart condition like this thread starter and myself are IMOP better off taking a so called moderate blood/clot/fibrin thinning thing like Natto. then just jumping into heavy duty stuff that come with their own issues
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I was getting attacks of AF every night when I got into bed, to the point where I was leaving my wife to sleep alone because of the uncomfortable nature of my chest pounding.
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.hell even myself when i go see Natale in dec.(maybe) i will get off Natto and go on Xarelto for 3 weeks pre and 2-3 months post..
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jpeters:
Atenolol is a beta blocker, which Hans Larsen, the creator of this site, called the medicine from hell. When I first got AF the doc had me taking a beta blocker, Atenolol, which gave me a first degree heart block, (before this site). There are different beta blockers of course, but I stay away from them.
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JPeters:
Well, my 1st. degree heart block wasn't in my head, I have a pacemaker because of it. I got an EP instead of the MD that I was seeing and I happened to read his notes on my chart that my 1st. degree heart block was probably due to the beta blocker.
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BTW both cardiologists and GP's know next to nothing about natural supl. that in many cases are better than meds. with no side effects.
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There are many studies (in the thousands) showing benefits of various nutrients on common ailments that respond very well if not better than drugs without the drug side effects that some have. Also an studies showing why nutritional supplements can help prevent many ailments from developing in the first place.
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Well thanks for the charming welcome. Guess I made a mistake posting on here. Some of you need to take a long look at yourselves. Jeez, no wonder you got heart problems. Hey, lesson learned, shit all over me in comments, you're a bunch of wankers and this aint a forum, it's a menagerie
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....if i go see Natale rest assured i will be clot free on Xarelto.
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Apparently the "microbleeds" aren't much of an issue if that is normal for everyone over 65. If it were an issue, no Dr. would prescribe a blood thinner for those over 65.
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Elizabeth
All I know is that when I was on Coumadin, I had to quit it because of blood pooling in my fingers and red eyes, then 2 weeks or so later I coughed up blood clots, so these kind of drugs are not benign.
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In a recent study, 99% of subjects aged 65 or older had evidence of microbleeds;
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PS to jpeters…. Hans Larsen’s quote on the Medicine from Hell was about Digoxin
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If that doesn't help we take supplements, meds and or have an ablation(s)? Whatever brings results.
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