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Post ablation atrial contractility
July 09, 2025 01:44AM
I recently had my second ablation (first 7 years ago). Things went really well (one clear extroverted naughty spot), but I was told there's a possibility I'll need to be on anticoagulation for life or have a Watchman. I haven't had my follow up yet and I was still groggy when the doc came in so I'm not quite clear on the details. I'm pretty sure I was never ablated near the atrial appendage. I'm wondering if they tested after ablating? Was there stunning, is it scar tissue from the first ablation or did my body make an excess of scar tissue for some reason? Can anyone point me to some information on the subject? I'm crossing my fingers that when I'm healed and tested, my atrial contractility is back to normal and I can stop the Eliquis.
Thanks!
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 09, 2025 03:12AM
You need to get an explanation. It sounds like they did ablate your LAA.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 09, 2025 01:48PM
I specifically asked that at the time. I thought he said no, he hadn't. I'm wondering about atrial myopathy.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 09, 2025 03:02PM
Atrial myopathy is just a fancy term for afib. You need to contact the nurse practitioner assigned to you and ask.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 10, 2025 12:50AM
I thought it had to do with tissue scarring and reduced conduction and contraction.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 10, 2025 03:17AM
Atrial myopathy isn't a recognized diagnosis. It's a term created to recognize the fact that "lone afib" isn't a correct concept. (Attentive users here will have noticed that we removed the word "lone" from the site description a few years ago.) The presence of afib indicates there is some sort of underlying structural heart disease, but science doesn't yet know exactly what that disease is. Hence the term atrial myopathy vs lone afib.

So it's not something you can have on top of afib. It's the underlying reason you have afib in the first place, but as I said, it's not fully understood exactly what it is. Scarring, atrial enlargement, and reduced contractility are all just symptoms of atrial myopathy; they're not the disease. So it's also not something that would lead them to alter their anticoagulation instructions. I don't know why they seemed to emphasize the importance of not missing a single dose, but I think you need to ask and find out.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 10, 2025 02:16PM
Myo is muscle and opathy is disease of. So are changes just to the atria? My chamber sizes, valves and ventricular function have all been normal. My doc seemed surprised that atrial contractility/electrical sensitivity seemed down. He said maybe it was just stunned from the procedure, although I'm not sure at what point he checked this. He talked about testing with echo after the healing period.
I'm not sure where your comment about "not missing a single dose" came from?
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 10, 2025 03:28PM
Well, it looks like I invented that single dose comment. Not sure where I got that.

Yes, atrial myopathy only applies to the atria.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 10, 2025 06:33PM
Thanks for the discussion, Carey!!
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 10, 2025 11:26PM
It may be worth your while to look at a thread I started about "strain echocardiography:"

STRAIN ECHOCARDIOGRAPHY THREAD - CLICK ME!

Here's an AI response to my inquiry about strain echocardiography and the atria:

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Gemini AI
Yes, **strain echocardiography is absolutely used to characterize the function of the atria, particularly the left atrium.**

While it originated and is perhaps most widely applied in assessing ventricular function (especially the left ventricle's global longitudinal strain, or GLS), its utility in evaluating atrial function has become increasingly recognized and is a rapidly developing area in cardiology.

Here's why and how it's used for the atria:

**Why Atrial Strain is Important:**

The atria are not just passive conduits for blood flow; they have three crucial phases of function throughout the cardiac cycle, and strain imaging helps assess each:

1. **Reservoir Function:** During ventricular systole (when the ventricles contract), the atria relax and fill with blood returning from the body and lungs. Atrial strain during this phase (often called **Peak Atrial Longitudinal Strain (PALS)** or Left Atrial Reservoir Strain) reflects the atrium's ability to stretch and accommodate this incoming blood, which is a measure of its compliance and elasticity. This is considered the most clinically important and prognostically valuable atrial strain parameter.
2. **Conduit Function:** During early ventricular diastole (when the ventricles relax and start to fill), blood passively flows from the atria into the ventricles. Atrial strain during this phase reflects the atrium acting as a "conduit."
3. **Booster Pump Function (Contraction):** During late ventricular diastole (just before the ventricles contract again), the atria contract to "boost" the remaining blood into the ventricles, contributing significantly to ventricular filling, especially during exercise. Atrial strain during this phase (often called Peak Atrial Contraction Strain, PACS, or Late Diastolic Strain) reflects the active contractile function of the atrium.

**Clinical Applications of Atrial Strain:**

Assessing atrial strain provides more sensitive and objective information about atrial health than traditional measures like atrial volume alone. It's becoming crucial in:

* **Early Detection of Atrial Myopathy:** Strain can identify subtle changes in atrial function and structure (like fibrosis) even before significant atrial enlargement or overt atrial fibrillation develops.
* **Risk Stratification for Atrial Fibrillation (AF):** Atrial strain can predict the incidence, recurrence, and burden of AF.
* **Stroke Risk Assessment:** Importantly, research shows that atrial myopathy (as detected by reduced atrial strain) can increase the risk of stroke even in patients without diagnosed AF, or in those with "cryptogenic stroke" (stroke of unknown cause). This is a major paradigm shift.
* **Diastolic Dysfunction and Heart Failure:** Atrial strain is a sensitive marker of left ventricular diastolic dysfunction and can help in the diagnosis and management of heart failure with preserved ejection fraction (HFpEF).
* **Monitoring Disease Progression and Treatment Response:** Changes in atrial strain can track the progression of various cardiac diseases and response to therapies.

**How it's Measured:**

Atrial strain is most commonly measured using **2D speckle tracking echocardiography (2D STE)**. This technique tracks naturally occurring "speckles" (tiny acoustic markers) within the atrial wall as it deforms during the cardiac cycle, providing objective, angle-independent quantification of myocardial deformation.

So, to reiterate, while ventricular strain is a cornerstone of echocardiography, **atrial strain analysis is very much a standard and rapidly evolving tool for characterizing atrial function, particularly in the context of atrial myopathy, AF, and stroke risk.**

Best of luck!
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 11, 2025 12:42AM
Another reason why this forum software has to be replaced. It has no "like" button.
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
July 16, 2025 04:08PM
Simply ask why. It may have nothing at all to do with the atrial appendage, as many ep's want their patients to continue on anticoagulation even after a successful ablation, adhering to the "company it keeps" theory vs afib burden.

Jim
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
August 05, 2025 06:44PM
smiling smiley Here's your "Like!" Thanks for the info!!
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
August 05, 2025 06:45PM
What's "the company it keeps" theory?
Re: Post ablation atrial contractility
August 05, 2025 10:00PM
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libby
What's "the company it keeps" theory?

Theory of what? I've never heard that phrase used as a theory.
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