hiatal hernia

Well I went to a Naturopathic Dr. today, the result being that I have a few more supplements in my arsenal. She did kinesiology testing on me. To sum up her findings, (I need a tape recorder) the main thing is that I am indicating a hiatal hernia ( stomach being pushed up into the diaphragm area). So off to the chiropractor for a little manipulation. Also she said my adrenals needed support, and I need to balance out my nervous system. There must be some toxins happening too because she recommended “Total Liver D-tox”. Also more water. And eliminate soy and dairy.

So now in addition to my regular supplements

Cod liver oil
Fish oil
Vitamin E
Trivita (B3-B6-B12) sublingual
Ambrotose
Glycentials (multi vitamin)
Mag glycinate
Aspirin 82mg
Waller Water

I will be taking the following

Liver D-tox (multi for liver support)
STRS (multi adrenal support)
PS-100 Phosphatidylserine (mixed soya phospholipid complex)
Calcerea Carbonica (heart health)
L-Carnitine

Another treatment that was recommended is Cold laser therapy to promote cellular healing.

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I don’t know, not sure about all this with what Fran and Richard are posting about hidden msg in all those supplements: and the cost ? I almost think money would be better spent on mineral testing. Until I can get close to Fran’s diet though this is better than doing nothing. Jackie can you have a hiatal hernia and not feel anything ?. The ND was surprised that I was not having gastro problems.

Opinions/comments please

Adrian,

Very interesting. It sounds to me, that you're heading in the right direction and it seems that she has put you on some beneficial nutrients. All of our livers probably could use a good de-tox, and I think adrenal insufficiency could very well be playing a part, as well. The cold laser therapy is intriguing. Someone my wife knows has the sound/light therapy contraption, by Rife Technologies. The idea behind it, is that the sound levels it produces are at the same hertzs as the chemical reactions within the body, thereby stimulating whatever chemical you so choose, such as serotonin. What I do know, was that her 38 yo husband had serious prostate cancer, and the growth was removed, but the cancer had spread up into his groin area. This was the reason she spent $5000 on its purchase and the use of it has completely healed him. So go figure.

Richard

Richard

It's nice to hear a success story. With all the claims made by some about this product and that gizmo one has to wonder if the're not being led along in the grand old tradition of PT Barnum. Having said that I'm still willing to give it a go. Kinesiology testing is a bit different. It's a bit hard to understand how someone can tell what you need by touching parts of your abdomen and pushing down on your arm but both practitioners of that particular form of testing that I have been to have keyed on the same areas. Funny thing is they both said the coq10 that I had wasn't effective. Maybe they just recognize cheap drugstore product :-). I do know someone that has the Rife machine too but am still hesitant. Gotta keep buying those lotto tickets.

Adrian

Adrian,

I'm interested to hear that a doctor wars you off soy. Why? I thought this was good for you and a better better than dairy for some nutrients?

Tom

Tom,

If you're curious about soy, go to www.westonaprice.org. Click on the soy link and read all about it. It was quite interesting. Let me know what you think. I never liked the stuff much, but it's in everything, just like free glutamate is.

Adrian,

The second naturopath I went to did iridology. I did question that one a bit, but after having all the testings done through Dr. Gersten, he was right on about some things. They didn't pertain to the iridology, but nevertheless he just knew some things. He prescribed phosphatidylserine, as well. I need to read more about that. I know a while back, I was discussing it on the old forum, and thought it was an epiphany, but now I don't remember why. Neurotransmitter deficiency, you know. Funny thing, when my wife and I are out now, and we run into strange characters, we always look at each other and either say they're lacking in serotonin or dopamine. You should punch in Rife Technologies. It's pretty interesting. It's said it has a 100% cure for cancer. Who knows, but you can bet if I ever get cancer, I'll be in line trying it. If nothing else, I'll get a buzz from the chemical reactions. I don't get buzzes from alcohol anymore, so I've gotta have fun somehow.

Richard

Richard,
Thanks very much for the link to weston. What is left to us to drink?! On this site we hear of the problems with milk--and now soy milk. I had heard before of the studies results that are lised on the weston site, but I also read in places that "organic" soy products--I use Endensoy (extra) organic soymilk--are safe. The Endensoy lists as ingredients purified water, organic soybeans, organic corn and barley malt, calcium, kombu seaweed, sea salt, vit. E, beta carotene, Vit D2, vit B-12. That's it. The total sodium level per one 8 oz. class of the stuff is 90mg. in each serving, there are 310mg of Potassium, 10% Mag, 10% folate, zinc 4%, Vit D 10%, E at 20%, A at 30%, Calcium at 20%, protein at 7 grams. as well as assorted B vitamins. No saturated fat, no cholesteral. On the face of it, this seems like a healthier alternative to cow's milk.

Now I wonder. What does one use for cereals, teas that take milk, baking etc. if one cuts out milk and soy products like this? Are we to restrict ourselves to water?!

I would welcome a response from anyone, including Hans, on this issue, since many of the nutrients we praise on this BB --potassium, Mag, zinc, --as well as protein-as beneficial against AF--seem to combine in abundance in this food product.

Thanks,
Tom

Tom - What's left to drink...water! - good, pure, chemical free water and lots of it. If you drink enough, your thirst for anything else will disappear.
The body needs hydration from water.... for every 50 pounds of body weight, one should try to consume about 1 liter. It's best to sip all day rather than down a liter at a time just to get it over. I another guideline is at least 8 to 10 8-ounce glasses a day.

Regarding soy - go to www.mercola.com and type in soy in his onsite search engine.

Soy provides estrogens which are contraindicated for men (especially due to prostate cancer); some doctors recommend soy for women but most holistic doctors tell everyone to stay away from soy. One problem comes from the fact that most soy is genetically modified - soy is very large business here in the US and unless the label says non-GMO and organic....soy is a bad thing to consume because of all the chemicals used to grow it here in addition to the fact that it suppresses thyroid function.

The success the Asians have enjoyed with soy and health comes from the type of soy - not as commercially produced as here, the amount consumed in a day - really very little - and from eating the fermented form such as tempeh which is said to be less harmful.


By all means go to Weston Price.... it will blow your mind. Their recent crusade is actually consuming milk products but they have to be organic and raw - not pasteurized - there are some states where farmers can sell raw milk and products.

Jackie

Hi Adrian - sounds as if you found a good N.D. You can be sure that anytime you deal with holistic doctors, the liver cleanse comes up. Not a bad thing, actually since the liver has alot of work to do. I've done several and think I feel better because of it. Didn't help the afib, but certainly my liver has to be happier.

About the hiatal hernia....No I couldn't feel the displacement - BUT, the reason I consulted with a Chiropractor was to determine if it was displaced and the answer was yes. I was motivated to have this consultation by the occurrance of hiccoughs.... random times of the day - mostly evening - and right after they started, I went into afib.... I could count on it. Hiccoughs are a symptom of magnesium deficiency. The diaphragm is also near the vagus nerve - I don't know if it actually innervates the diaphragm or not...forgot alot of my Anatomy classes.... but the manipulation of it certainly cured the hiccoughs and the the resulting afib. I had about 5 treatments. I don't know if I needed that many, but since I was there anyway, they just made sure it stayed "put." I did have some symptoms of reflux previously, but not at the time I was having the hiccoughs.

Adrian - I'd go for the mineral testing first. Spend your money there. Imbalances are almost always found. I think your trying to eat in the style of Fran is the best plan. We can't beat good wholesome organic food.

Good luck. Keep us informed. You are on the right path! Jackie

"I'm interested to hear that a doctor wars you off soy. Why? I thought this was good for you and a better better than dairy for some nutrients?

Tom"

On top of everything else that has been written about soy, soy sauce is also very high in free glutamate..... Have you been reading the glutamate threads?

You could consider using nut milks. I sometimes make coconut and almond milk.

fran

Jackie,
Thanks very much for your excellent reply and I am going to go to the mercola site that you mention. I do already drink lots of water, two liters a day, at least--but haven't thought of eating, say, cereal with it or baking with it. What do you do in such instances.
I do hear you, however, about the soy warnings and will adjust. I've learned a lot in the last 24 hours! I went to Weston before reading your message and it was enough to scare me back to water...

Tom

Tom,

Fran is right about almond milk. The book "Fit for Life" tells how to make your own, but I think you can buy it in health food stores, as well. If I remember correctly, you blanch the almonds to remove their skins, and then blend with water, and strain. Because I don't eat any cereals, I don't have that problem anymore.

Richard

Richard

I hear you man. When you've got nothing to lose all it will cost you is a little time. Why close a half opened door because you don't know what's on the other side. Open that door and have a look see.

I went back and looked at that Rife discussion and Hulda Clark related discusions on the old board. Perhaps it is better to try and see if it works or not instead of allways wondering what if.

Also from the old forum epiphany Phosphaditylserine helps support the cells membrane and also helps keep cortisol in check. If it helps diminish the effects of stress then I'm sure I can use it. Thank you so much.

Jackie

I'm not sure I'm on the right path yet but I might be able to see it through the trees. I'm only haflway to Frans diet. I do eat Paleo but am nowhere near the variety of excellent food choices that Fran has. The other day at the market I did stand and stare at a beef liver in the cooler for short time before I moved on. Maybe next time I can stare at it a little longer, and a little longer and then it might jump into my cart. I'll take it home and leave it in a fridge and then when it turns green I'll throw it out and go get another one. Hey Rome wan't built in a day.

I'll be pulling for you come ablation day.

Live long and prosper

Adrian

To Fran and Richard,
Thanks very much for the almond and coconut milk ideas. Sounds like a way to go.
Bye, bye Soy...
Tom

Adrian, when you do get that liver home, this is the best [tastiest - yum !] way i know to cook it. Dice up an onion and fry it, scoop out the onion pieces onto a plate leaving most of the frying fat behind [bacon grease works best, but if you aren't doing bacon then olive oil is just dandy], raise the heat a little, drop in the liver, sear on each side seasoning with salt and pepper, fork it out, and enjoy. Fit for the gods. Cook it too long and it resembles shoe leather, acquiring a bitter taste as well. Enjoy.
Peggy

Tom - Don't become alarmed as you delve into this enlightenment. There is alot of information out there and it can become overwhelming. Make your changes slowly and systematically....so you don't feel deprived.

A diet without cereal and baked goods is a healthyful diet. Grains just aren't healthy. Baking usually requires sugar - eliminating sugar is a must.

These are lifestyle changes. It's difficult to give up everything all at once. Some of us can do it, but have relapses from time to time. Given time and compliance, however, most of us can say we don't really miss the unhealthy foods because we feel so good eating healthy.

There is a paleo website which gives alot of tips. Probably a great many of afibbers here follow the paleo or a modified version of paleo. You won't go hungry. It's easy to follow.

Fran and others have offered tips on baking things based on the paleo diet (which is a no grain, no sugar eating plan) that actually are very good and satisfying. When you get ready to tackle this project... let us know and we can find the recipes. I've made a few and they are very good.K

Good luck - stay in touch and let us help you. Jackie

Peggy

You almost described my tea tonight. I fried onions, liver and bacon all in the same pan at the same time - but I used beef dripping. There is something about liver that just really hits the spot and to put it in Carols words - it made my tummy sing. I always have a feeling of well being after eating it and wonder if it is down to high copper and molybdenum which are getting to good press in the conference room. Like Adrian I used to just look at liver and go yeuchh. But one time I forced myself to eat it. I knew it had a lot of nutrients I was needing. It had that taste but it wasn't as bad as I remembered from my being forced to eat it kid days. And I felt very good afer it. The next time I ate it I didn't get the taste and now actualy crave it.

Adrian - here is a wee tip for you and your first time. Put some nice steak, bacon and liver in a food processor with onions and salt and whizz round. Make them into hamburgers to dilute the taste. I don't find you need an egg or anything to bind. You might find it easier to eat this way and won;t have the new texture to deal with.

Fran

PS I have to watch bacon as it can have many AF triggers in it - inlcuding MSG. We have a smokehouse here which sells a good organic bacon made with salt. And its not smoked.