Angstrom Magnesium

Hi Everybody,

I wanted to share with you my success with angstrom magnesium. I contacted Carolyn Dean, author of the Magnesium Miracle, and told her of my plight. She suggested that I supplement angstrom magnesium with my daily dose of the 800 mg. of the glycinate. I have started slowly 20 mg (the equivalent of 200 mg of the tablets, I would like to increase to 30 to 40 mg) spread out over the day. I have found that I have reduced the number of daily PACS and sense (no hard data on this observation) that my magnesium levels are more consistent throughout the day. I think that part of my success also comes from George's suggestion (footnoting helps me remember the collective nature of our experiences) that it is important to take magnesium and potassium at different times. I find that I can take the angstrom more easily on an empty stomach which makes this practice more feasible. I also now supplement more frequently at a lower dosage. In my case, this strategy seems more effective than taking 300 to 400 mg two to three times a day.

Steve

Steve - good to know. Where does one fine a source of this form?

Jackie

There are several sources for angstrom magnesium which can be found with a google search.


[www.angstrom-mineral.com]

Marian

Jackie,

I received mine through Healthshop101.com. They sell it in 8 and 32 ounce bottles. I am pretty sure that I am magnesium waster, and my best course of action seems to be to supplement all day. The angstrom makes it easier to do this.

Steve

Steve, thanks I just ordered it for my store here in Charlotte, got the 16 and 32OZ sizes, they have an interesting video on their site as well, and testimonials

Tom P

Steve,

Thanks for the complement.

I'd really like to know what angstrom magnesium is, and how it differs from any other ionic form of magnesium - say magnesium bicarbonate water (AKA Waller Water [www.afibbers.org]) or magnesium chloride water (AKA magnesium oil).

Off this site [www.angstrom-mineral.com], they say, " Our Angstrom minerals are one angstrom. The smallest, most absorbable minerals on Earth!"

This is interesting as the atomic diameter of magnesium is 320 pm (2x the atomic radius of 160 pm [en.wikipedia.org]). Now 1 pm = 100 angstroms. So they are saying their minerals are one angstrom. Interesting since the atomic diameter is 3.2 angstroms. Not sure how this can be.

Steve, this is not to invalidate your success, only to say I think angstrom magnesium is a marketing trick to differentiate themselves from other ionic forms of magnesium that are much less expensive. But if it works for you, it is well worth it!!!

George

George,

I agree with you, but I turned to the angstrom magnesium because I don't do well with carbonated drinks---my stomach flips and flops---not good for our types. On an unrelated topic, do you use Ribose? I go back and forth with it.

Thanks
Steve

Steve - just for information so you know, the WW isn't fizzy. Once the chemical reaction takes place, the result releases the carbonation factor. It's alkalizing and very calming to the stomach... I think. We are all different. It's easy to make and very economical as well which is always welcome. Jackie

Thanks Jackie,

I will try it out.

Steve,

I've used ribose, but can't say I've seen an effect one way or another.

My very simple WW recipe:

1. Get 1 or 2 liter bottle carbonated water and chill to fridge temp (to help keep CO2 in).
2. Get plain, unflavored milk of magnesia (WalMart brand is cheap).
3. Open the chilled bottle and pour out a little water to leave more room. Using measuring cap that comes with MOM, put in 3 oz MOM per liter.
4. Cap and shake. Shake a few times leaving say 30 minutes (or more) to allow time for reaction. When bottle is caved it a bit, reaction is done. If you used a bit too much MOM, there may still be some in the bottom - not a problem.

When done, there is no more carbonation - the carbon in the CO2 is now in the bicarbonate.

Erling says you don't have to store in the fridge after you've added the MOM.

Dilute as per the WallerWater PDF or your preference.

George

George,

Thanks, I have gone out and gotten the necessary ingredients. Do you drink about a liter a day of the diluted 4 liters? I also take epsom salt baths before I go to sleep. I sleep better and I take in more magnesium. To be frank, there doesn't seem to be a limit on the daily magnesium that I can take in. I must be a waster.

Steve

Steve,

I actually drink about 8 oz a day of the undiluted WW. I drink it away from eating times so the basic WW pH doesn't change my stomach pH for digestion.

On a lark, I also decided to add Magnesium Chloride water to my routine separately as it as a very slightly acidic pH. [curezone.com] So I use Nagari (which I had tested for heavy metals several years ago) as my source of MgCl2 [www.naturalimport.com]. (Testing results <[www.afibbers.org]; More on Nigari <[www.afibbers.org] I estimated that 1 TBS would be about 25 grams MgCl2, so put that in 1 liter of water as per the article: "The solution to be used is a 2.5% Magnesium Chloride hexahydrate (MgCl2-6H2O) solution (i.e.: 25 grams / 1 liter of water)" The article the suggests taking 2-3 125 ml doses/day. I take 2. I did work out how much elemental mag per dose it is but don't have at my fingertips right now. Roughly, I recall that MgCl2-6H2O is about 10% by weight Mg. So 25 grams/l MgCl2-6H2O would be about 2.5 grams elemental Mg/l. Or 2.5/6=416 mg Mag per 125 ml of solution.

This is on top of 800 mg of Mag as glycinate/day plus some as citrate. All told, I take about 3 grams elemental mag a day. This is certainly at the high end. Though I have an afibber friend that is currently taking 5 grams elemental/day of di-magnesium malate. I am certainly a mag. waster.

Then there was Dr. Mannsman, the diabetic mag researcher who took 20 grams/day for a year. See: <[www.afibbers.org];

Here is a link describing other ways to take magnesium transdermally, besides a bath (pastes & lotions): <[www.afibbers.org];

George

Thanks George,

In time, I will pursue the heavy metals angle on the wasting. Carolynn Dean suggested the follwing.


a. Clay Detox Baths at LL’s Magnetic Clay.

[www.magneticclay.com]
.

b. Heavy Metal Detoxification HMD:

Telephone: 1-866-508-8357—New York for 15% discount.

Get the Ultimate Detox Pack: [www.heavymetaldetox.net].

Consists of HMD chlorella and cilantro drops that mobilize the metals. An Organic Lavage that helps open up detox pathways to eliminate heavy metals and Chlorella capsules which help mop up heavy metals. They have done clinical trials with over 350 people.


Steve

Steve,

Thanks for the info!

George

Hi George, and all -

Thank you for the very clear simplified WW instructions. This BB has always needed that, and I know you've done it before, so thanks. It is so very easy to make, extremely valuable as a magnesium source, and very, very economical. The original instructions are now needlessly complicated, possibly intimidating for some.

A few things I'd like to add:

-- 1 liter of the concentrate has 1500 mg (1 1/2 grams) of elemental magnesium, fully bio-available ionized Mg++.

Think I'll figure out again how much this 1500 mg of perfect magnesium supplement costs. I know its pennies, but it needs to be posted. As Yogi Berra once explained, "money isn't everything -- but it's everything else!"

-- 3 tbsp of MoM yields this 1500 mg of elemental Mg from 3600 mg of Mg-hydroxide. 3600 mg of Mg-hydroxide powder in carbonated water yields the same amount, of course.

Pharmaceutical grade Mg-hydroxide powder is available from "compounding pharmacies", possibly even by order on the web? We should check.
I played around with powdered Mg-hydroxide at one time when Jackie and I were "in the throws" of developing WW. Adding the powder to carbonated drinks was interesting, making healthy beer -- now there's a market!! -- using a digital lab scale to determine the volume of 3600 mg of the powder, as I recall about one teaspoon but I could be way off. We need to accurately determine the measuring-spoon volume of 3600 mg of Mg-hydroxide powder to make it simple to use, and post it, especially for those who can't find MoM, as in the land of Oz.

-- There is no need to refrigerate the product.

I believe this aqueous solution of magnesium and bicarbonate ions to be perfectly stable, as are equivalent spring waters, such as Noah's California Spring Water from Paul Mason's Adobe Springs.[www.mgwater.com]. I always leave mine on the counter after shaking and re-shaking it, letting it warm to room temperature to encourage the rate of chemical reaction. The reaction slows down with time, of course, as fewer and fewer wandering molecules of Mg-hydroxide and CO2 are left to meet up with each other and react (sexy). I often notice that although the side of the plastic bottle has "caved in" the full reaction might not yet be complete, depending on how much MoM I used. I no longer measure the MoM very exactly, aiming only to have at least enough to consume all of the CO2. There is of course not any problem with having a sediment of un-reacted MoM settle on the bottom, but if I'm not in a hurry to use it I'll leave it to react further. After many hours, sometimes overnight, the MoM sediment will often have reacted and disappeared.

-- Ideally, store the concentrate in a glass bottle.

I sure like Hans' recommendation to do so. Who knows what-all kinds of toxic chemicals may leach out of the plastic bottle, BPA etc, perhaps even accelerated by pH 8+ alkaline bicarbonate? Anybody know?


Be happy, everybody!

Erlimg

Hello Erling,

The original Waller water recipe is available on the afibbers.org web site at [www.afibbers.org]

Hans

George,

Given that you state:

"This is interesting as the atomic diameter of magnesium is 320 pm (2x the atomic radius of 160 pm [en.wikipedia.org]). Now 1 pm = 100 angstroms. So they are saying their minerals are one angstrom. Interesting since the atomic diameter is 3.2 angstroms. Not sure how this can be. "

If 1 pm = 100 angstroms, then doesn't the atomic diameter of magnesium at 320 pm = 32000 angstroms?! A LOOOOONG way off the ONE angstrom the seller claims! (Not trying to be picky or pedantic here George, was just trying to make sense of things is all.)

Mike

Mike,

As I am wont to do, I transposed "1 pm = 100 angstroms." It should read: 100 angstroms = 1 pm (i.e. 1 picometer = 0.01 angstroms). So 320 pm x .01 angstroms/pm = 3.2 angstroms. I knew what I meant to type, but my fingers reversed it!!! Sorry for the confusion.

I suppose what they mean is all the minerals are in their ionic state - since the only one with an atomic diameter less than 1 angstrom is helium. See: [environmentalchemistry.com] for atomic radii. Of course the atomic diameter is 2x the radius. Of course so are the minerals in, say Waller Water.

George