Eliquis & some possible supps ok?

Hi,

I don't know if I already wrote about this in the past or not.

I am now on Eliquis 2.5 mg b.i.d. I do take supplements as well. I take turmeric extract 500 mg q.a.m., vitamin C caps 500 mg BID, & 1 tsp of cod liver oil q.a.m. Is it okay to take these along with Eliquis? If so, is there any spacing apart necessary?

Last week while in an inversion in yoga using a strap above my elbows, I came home with a purpura right below the elbow. I can't remember for sure, but I usually take those supps in the morning a few hr before class. I wondered if taking all those together is too much? I have been taking it for quite a while, but maybe it was the pressure of the strap while being inverted as well that caused the blood to make a purpura.

It got me to wondering about safety of these mixes. Turmeric is good for inflammation & cod liver oil for Omega 3s, etc, and Vit C for a lot of reasons, but they also act to thin blood a bit too, right?

Any advice on this? And, Jackie if you are still using the forum, I would love to hear from you.

Thank you,

Hello Lois - I wanted to let you know I saw your post and I'll respond shortly.
Just overly busy at the moment. Sorry for the delay.
Jackie

my hosptial team has a cardiac pharmacist. I was able to talk through these things with her. She had access to things I just never found while searching. Also on the bruising. I also discussed with my cardiologist if that was a big deal (aside from how it looks)... I did a Rolfing session a couple of months ago and ended up with a giant bruise on my leg (Rolfing is intense massage therapy so that things like PT work better- you may be familiar with it). Anyway I hesitate to tell you all that they said because everyone can be different ... but the cardiac pharmacist has been incredibly valueable to me.

Thank you, Betty Lou. I would love to have more of the details. I’ve never heard of a cardiac pharmacist. Could I email you personally to get more information?

Hello Madeline - I'll respond to your post shortly. We've been dealing with the aftermath of severe wind damage which came through our area as "side effects" from a tornado that was in the area farther South of us. Fortunately, we were not in the direct path. No Internet service.... but we did have basic electricity thanks to a natural gas generator.
Jackie

I have taken lots of fish oil. I did start taking Eliquis at the beginning of July of this year.

I do a lot of isometrics for strength training. Many of these use straps, some use straps attached to a bar with a load cell that will record the force applied. I can apply a lot of force during these isometrics. The strap width makes a huge difference in whether I will get bruising. I've got everything from 7mm cord (0.28") to 1", 2" & 3" webbing. The 7mm cord is almost guaranteed to create bruising. I rerigged that setup to use 8mm circular climbing slings with flat webbing where it touches my skin, This more than doubles the contact area and minimizes bruising. I generally only use this setup for isometrics when I travel as it is very compact. The wider 2"-3" flat webbing rarely cause an issue.

I did back off my intake of fish oil, but in retrospect, now realize my skin (and perhaps other tissues) had been getting thinner and weaker as the bruising persisted even after reduced fish oil intake. This has gotten much better in the last 3 months. However I've also done multiple things that could have been responsible for the improvement.

I started fermenting Lactobacillus reuteri yogurt from strain ATCC PTA 6475 from Osfortis capsules www.everidis.com per Dr. William Davis. As I have a sensitivity to dairy, I use soy milk I make myself from organic soybeans. I soak for 12 hours, then throw out soak water, blend in water and pressure cook for 5 minutes with a 25 minute pressure cool down. I then ferment at 100 deg F for 36 hours. These bugs are supposed to increase oxytocin in the body, which can improve skin.

I started consuming natto food, which has PQQ and can also improve skin (I'm not suggesting consuming natto food with a blood thinner without consulting your prescriber).

June 1, I started exercising with a setup that allows breathing hypoxic air (7.5% O2 in my case) and hyperoxic air (80% O2) and switching between them instantly during exercise. I've seen anecdotal reports of greatly improved skin with my setup. Hypoxia can increase serum CO2, which is both a vasodilator and increases transfer of oxygen from hemoglobin to cells because of the Bohr effect. So paradoxically cells can get more O2 during hypoxia (i.e. CO2 is very important for O2 utilization). This can improve cellular function.

The net effect is that even though I started Eliquis on July 5 and I still consume natto, cod liver oil, a plasmalogen precursor which is essentially DHA (with sightly different chemistry), 8.5 g of ascorbic acid vitamin C (5.5 g are mixed with 23 mg of methylene blue to convert it to the reduced leuco form), my skin is much hardier and I don't get the bruising. This is even though I get quite a few skin injuries from rock climbing. I'm getting many fewer injuries and almost no bruising, even though sharp rock can still cut my skin or rip it off and cause some bleeding. The bleeding does scab over in a reasonable time and heal normally. One climbing partner used to tease me and say she could always follow the routes I led from the drops of blood on the rock. This is much less likely to happen now.



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I just wanted to interject that there's a websie that many doctor's use that gives info on reactions between pharmaceuticals and supplements/ herbs/ etc. I don't recall the name of it and possibly there's more than one out there, but when I checked to see if I could access one that a doctor had used on my behalf awhile back, I found the subscription to be extremely price-y. A great tool for physicians and worth their expense. And worth having a doctor who uses such a tool for their patients!
On a second note, I love the idea of having a cardiac pharmacist on ones 'team'!

George, you are amazing!

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Madeline
Thank you, Betty Lou. I would love to have more of the details. I’ve never heard of a cardiac pharmacist. Could I email you personally to get more information?

Sorry I missed this. I don't come on here very often. You would have to ask your cardiac team if they have one at your hosptial. Most major univeristies have one or even as your own pharmacist..

Hi George, could you please clarify mixing 8.5g of vitamin C with methylene blue. Are you taking a total amount of 8.5g of C/day and 5.5 g of that is mixed with methylene blue🤔

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8.5 g of ascorbic acid vitamin C (5.5 g are mixed with 23 mg of methylene blue to convert it to the reduced leuco …

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Joe
Hi George, could you please clarify mixing 8.5g of vitamin C with methylene blue. Are you taking a total amount of 8.5g of C/day and 5.5 g of that is mixed with methylene blue🤔

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8.5 g of ascorbic acid vitamin C (5.5 g are mixed with 23 mg of methylene blue to convert it to the reduced leuco …

The 5.5g is 1 tsp of ascorbic acid powder I'm mixing with the MB. I've actually reduced it to somewhat less than 1 tsp, as all of it wasn't reacting with the MB, but haven't quantified that by measuring on my milligram scale. The other 3g are capsules of ascorbic acid I take as part of a high does iodine protocol (50 - 60 mg day as liquid Lugol's solution {which is 40% iodine, 60% potassium iodide}), along with other cofactors, such as 20 mcg of L-selenomethionine.

Thank you George! very clear!
The iodine protocol is intriguing to me. In 2015, prior to going into permanent AF for about 4 month, i supplemented with Kelp tablets 1gx6 for a few weeks (medial scientist's recommendation). The doctors suspected that my AF was brought on by the iodine in kelp.
After some months my TSH kept going up and at 6.4 or so the GP put me on Eutrosig 50mg (the hospital endocrinologist said that they don't intervene until TSH reaches 10 !!!!) and have been taking that since. My TSH is about 2 .5 now.

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Joe
The iodine protocol is intriguing to me. In 2015, prior to going into permanent AF for about 4 month, i supplemented with Kelp tablets 1gx6 for a few weeks (medial scientist's recommendation). The doctors suspected that my AF was brought on by the iodine in kelp.
After some months my TSH kept going up and at 6.4 or so the GP put me on Eutrosig 50mg (the hospital endocrinologist said that they don't intervene until TSH reaches 10 !!!!) and have been taking that since. My TSH is about 2 .5 now.

From my iodine protocol notes (I'm attaching the file, though haven't reviewed it is sometime, so no guarantees).

"TSH will commonly increase for 6 or more months when iodine is first supplemented. This is normal. The increase of iodine causes an increase in circulating T4 which causes the temporary rise in TSH which triggers NIS (Sodium/Iodide Symporter) to take up iodine which signals the thyroid to decrease conversion of T4-T3 in medicine it's called the iodine lock or iodine trap."

This video talks about it as well: [www.youtube.com]

On the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) I used a 1/2 tsp measure for the C I use to react with methylene blue and that is about the correct amount. Didn't measure the weight, but likely around half of what I posted for 1 tsp of the ascorbate acid.



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That's fantastic information George, thank you! It will take a bit to get my head around it but at first reading and watching a few videos it seems to make sense
By chance or instinctively i;ve been drinking distilled water (our tap water has fluoride added) for the last 2 years or so with added Na, K, Si,Se, borax and MSM (dimethyl sulfone) - all in small amounts Mg - probably a teaspoon/day. Also take 1g of Kelp/day Don't know if it is doing any good or if i'm slowly poisoning myself
I feel good and have energy with a BMI of about 22.
Will have a T3.T4,TSH test next week. Better than my previous GP who would only order TSH . Would have liked the reverse forms as well but Dr doesn't see it as necessary and i didn't want to push it.
She already asked me if i'm a doctor.



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