Having made Waller Water a few days ago, I have an observation that I'm trying to understand. When the reaction first occurred, the sides of the soda water bottle caved in a bit as the magnesium bicarbonate formed. Now it's been a few days, I've used some of the concentrated Waller Water, and about 2/3 of it remains sealed in the soda water bottle. Over that time, I've noticed that the pressure in the bottle has slowly increased, so there is once again a great deal of pressure inside. No precipitate has formed however. My question: Does the increased pressure mean that some of the carbon is, by some mechanism, returning to it's pre-reaction state? If so, what is happening to the Mg? If not, what is happening? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95101#msg-95101 Fri, 18 Sep 2026 14:42:31 +0000 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95175#msg-95175 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95175#msg-95175
There in Australia, you can also buy the commercial magnesium water patented by Russell Beckett... Unique Water.



Sharon - some people use only the WW, but I add it to my regular drinking water as well and figure I don't have to take as many capsules a day that way.

Jackie]]> Jackie AFIBBERS FORUM Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:57:21 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95163#msg-95163 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95163#msg-95163 Sharon Glass AFIBBERS FORUM Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:09:38 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95157#msg-95157 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95157#msg-95157
In Australia MOM doesn't seem obtainable in pharmacists so I tried pure magnesium hydroxide which seems to work fine.

Any comments on this or am I the only one who tried this method ?

Thanks

Alex]]> alex encel AFIBBERS FORUM Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:33:16 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95131#msg-95131 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95131#msg-95131 Nick Bentley AFIBBERS FORUM Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:57:13 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95130#msg-95130 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95130#msg-95130
Yes, I think the argument that it was the alkalinity at least as much as the Mg is a really strong possibility. I'll do some experiments so see if I can untangle the causes of my happy success.

Nick]]> Nick Bentley AFIBBERS FORUM Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:55:00 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95113#msg-95113 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95113#msg-95113
First, I'm very pleased that you were able to conquer those difficulties -- and so quickly (seven hours!). When you wrote about WW that you were "drinking it at half the concentration specified in the recipe", did you mean that you diluted the 'concentrate' with twice the amount of water specified? If so, I'm doubly impressed, and am wondering how such a small amount of Mg could be so helpful (only about 60 mg per liter!). Perhaps the alkalinity of the water has had much to do with your success? In any case, recall PC's comment about WW being a 'three-for': Mg, alkalinity, hydration. He also cautions against 'alkalosis', but that has not resulted for me -- WW has been my only drinking and cooking water for over 6 years, also my main magnesium 'supplement'.
I don't think the reaction can go backwards in the bottle, but I'm not a chemist (WW developed from basic college inorganic chemistry for engineers, plus trial and error). I've also experienced the bottle swelling a bit after pouring out some of the concentrate and recapping the bottle, most likely because the liquid, and the air above, warms and expands.

Stay well!

Erling

]]> Erling AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:49:31 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95111#msg-95111 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95111#msg-95111
Just to be on the safe side I always transfer my Waller water concentrate to a glass bottle (an old, but clean apple juice bottle) and store it in that in the refrigerator. You never know what leaches out of plastic bottles these days!

Hans

]]> Hans Larsen AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:28:14 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95110#msg-95110 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95110#msg-95110
Jackie]]> Jackie AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:13:15 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95109#msg-95109 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95109#msg-95109
I think you may have misunderstood my question (or did I misunderstand your reply?). I'm asking not about the initial "cave in", but the subsequent *reversal* that I've observed over the next few days.]]> Nick Bentley AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:08:25 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95107#msg-95107 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95107#msg-95107 [cat.inist.fr], & it gives off energy, it is not reversible ("It was found that the reaction rate between magnesium hydroxide and CO2 follows a first-order reaction, and the activation energy was calculated to be 7700 cal/mol").

My guess is that you didn't put enough Mg(OH)2 to react with all the CO2 in the bottle since you didn't see any sediment at the bottom. After a while the unreacted CO2 comes out of solution.]]> GeorgeN AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:06:35 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95105#msg-95105 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95105#msg-95105
from the pdf file Hans referenced:

You may note that the sides of the bottle “cave in” when the liquid clears. This is a sign that the reaction is complete.[i/]

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Jackie]]> Jackie AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:00:48 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95101#msg-95101 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,95101,95101#msg-95101
My question:
Does the increased pressure mean that some of the carbon is, by some mechanism, returning to it's pre-reaction state? If so, what is happening to the Mg? If not, what is happening?

]]> Nick Bentley AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:56:57 +0000