Epsom Salts

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janet — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:24:27 +0000

thanks i will look into that

do you know if the ingredients are safe to take while on warfarin as well so many things seem to interact badly with it

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PeggyM — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:40:14 +0000

Great man, George, thank you.
PeggyM

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GeorgeN — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:33:35 +0000

Waller Water: <[www.afibbers.com];

PC & pH of WW: <[www.afibbers.com];
<[www.afibbers.com];

Dr. Seelig's online book "Magnesium Deficiency in the Pathogenesis of Disease": [www.mgwater.com]

Dr. Seelig's most recent book "Magnesium Factor":
[www.amazon.com]

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Josiah P. — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:47:45 +0000

Janet,

The complete recipe for Waller Water is printed in Appendix G of Hans' first book on Afib. The two major ingredients are milk of magnesia and carbonated water.

I'm sure Jackie could also provide you with the details.

Josiah

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janet — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:24:08 +0000

what is waller water

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Josiah B. — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:55:14 +0000

Jackie, I'm sorry I didn't read you last reply before replying to George. I started my reply to George and then got interrupted for 4 hours before sending it.

Josiah

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Josiah B. — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:48:46 +0000

George, could you suggest why cells low in IC Mg may have trouble absorbing Mg from the bloodstream? Are you suggesting that some people have a defect that hinders the absorption of Mg?

Josiah

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Jackie — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:13:51 +0000

George - some individuals MAY have a difficult time absorbing especially if the lipid layer of cells where the magnesium receptors is damaged from bad fats. The damage can be reversed with Omega 3 fish oils and care not to eat the damaging fats...and absorption is then facilitated.

It's not necessarily true that if you are low in IC magnesium, you'll have trouble absorbing it... the problem lies in the damaged receptor site areas.

I attended a seminar some years ago about metabolic syndrome and this info on damaged receptors and magnesium, especially, was a key focus because people who continue to have damaged receptors will not get magnesium inside the cells and magnesium is critical for proper metabolism to avoid metabolic syndrome.

There is only one way minerals get inside cells and that's through the receptor sites no matter how it is delivered to the blood stream. If those receptors are stiff, crimped, deformed etc, the nutrient for that particular receptor will not gain access to inside the cell.

On the bowel tolerance issue, that can come up even if IC repletion is not reached because the body will naturally spill extra magnesium assuming all functions are operational. One would HOPE that bowel intolerance means optimizing IC magnesium, but it may not always be the case.

Jackie

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GeorgeN — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:44:14 +0000

Here is my take.

If you are low (intracellular) in Mg, then you can have a hard time absorbing it. Therefore your bowel tolerance will be low & it will be very difficult to replete your IC Mg levels. You are kind of in a circular loop that is difficult to get out of (low Mg means you won't absorb it well, which means you continue with low Mg ...).

Transdermal Mg does not have this problem, so you have a better chance of repleting the Mg. Once you've repleted your IC Mg levels then you your body will not need absorb a lot of oral Mg, so you will experience a bowel tolerance issue here, too - but for a different reason - your IC Mg levels are sufficient.

George

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Jackie — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:59:14 +0000

Yes - probably. So then, adding transdermal would also do the same thing... extra magnesium not needed inside the cells or serum will be eliminated through renal and fecal excretion. You can tinker to see which is the least offender but repletion or saturation is just that. Once you reach that point, it then becomes a choice of which delivery system you want to use. WW is inexpensive and easy but by no means the only way to do it. I just offered it as an alternative.

If you've reached your saturation goal, congratulations. The challenge is to maintain it and also to start adding enough potassium to keep away ectopics and then, hopefully - afib as well. The combo works together to help prolong the refractory period which is what you want to achieve. When the refractory period is long enough, afib can't start.

Jackie

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Kate — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:04:27 +0000

There is a post somewhere on the forum which links to a study done at Birmingham University regarding absorption of epsom salts through bathing.

Kate

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Josiah P — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:58:00 +0000

Jackie,

With the supplements I'm now taking I've already reached the barrier of bowel intolerance. Won't Waller Water make that problem worse?

Josiah

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Josiah P — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:46:42 +0000

Sorry about the colossal misspelling of "transdermal" in the initial post. I'm usually more careful.

Josiah

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Jackie — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:48:57 +0000

Many people have found success with transdermal absorption of Epsom Salts.... magnesium sulfate. You just have to use enough and soak long enough. One thing it definitely does is relax muscles so a nice warm soak before bed is therapeutic from many aspects. Once again, since we all respond differently, you have to try it to see what happens for you. It certainly is inexpensive.

If you haven't tried making the Waller Water, it's worth doing. Very economical and easy to make. I still add WW to the pitcher of water I use to be sure of my daily water intake. It makes my spring water taste even better than it already does. I also use that water for cooking.

Every little bit helps no matter how you get it in.

Jackie

Epsom Salts

Josiah B. — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:12:46 +0000

How about Epsom Salts, MgSO4·7H2O, as a source of tansdural Mg?

Josiah