Hello all, just another quick question, Whe talking at the CCF, I asked Dr. Jones if normal people had these spurious electrical signals coming off the Pulmanary Veins... He said that he didn't know and wasn't sure if anyone had ever did any research on this.... This puzzled me. Wouldn't they know what was normal? Any thoughts or studies come to mind? Joe https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,481#msg-481 Wed, 29 Apr 2026 20:20:18 +0000 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,554#msg-554 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,554#msg-554
Everything happens at the cellular level; therefore, cellular health including balance of essential nutrients in order to function is critical and is easy to imbalance through common factors of everyday living - stress, diet, lifestyle etc. Some people seem to be more vulnerable to imbalances than others. Certainly, we all know people who live very unhealthy lifestyles and don't get afib.

Should modern medicine ever decide to investigate the status of every afib patient in terms of cellular function and nutrient levels, surely they will find the real cause of atrial fibrillation. In the meantime, we are left with drugs and surgery to correct the problem.

Jackie]]> Jackie AFIBBERS FORUM Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:54:08 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,527#msg-527 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,527#msg-527
I can't provide a definitive answer.

However, it takes much more than a few PACs from rogue cells in the vicinity of the PVs to trigger AF. So I'd have to say that "normals" (that don't have the requisite "loss of physiologic rate adaptation") probably have plenty of PACs originating from this area.

"Loss of physiologic rate adaptation" is the medical term for the problem that we AFers have. Our hearts have an abnormal AERP (atrial effective refractory period) and dispersion of refractoriness wrt HR. The PACs just start the AF ball rolling.

PC v54]]> PC AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 18 Oct 2003 14:38:31 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,519#msg-519 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,519#msg-519 Bill B AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 18 Oct 2003 11:29:31 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,516#msg-516 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,516#msg-516
Although I remember something about "normal heart" ectopics originating from the PV area, I can't give you a reference --which is what you need. If I can find one I'll pass it on.

From my old dim memory it was during some EP studies and theorized that the signals did not trigger enough "wavelets" (Moe theory) to create AFib. Most studies have been done on dogs or goats and there must be some published info in that area.

Keep looking....
Anton]]> Anton AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:45:13 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,509#msg-509 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,509#msg-509
Still looking....
Joe]]> J. Pisano AFIBBERS FORUM Sat, 18 Oct 2003 08:02:39 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,482#msg-482 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,482#msg-482 Let's call them people with a normal heart........]]> J. Pisano AFIBBERS FORUM Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:52:38 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,481#msg-481 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,481,481#msg-481 just another quick question, Whe talking at the CCF, I asked Dr. Jones if normal people had these spurious electrical signals coming off the Pulmanary Veins... He said that he didn't know and wasn't sure if anyone had ever did any research on this.... This puzzled me. Wouldn't they know what was normal? Any thoughts or studies come to mind?

Joe]]> J. Pisano AFIBBERS FORUM Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:52:02 +0000