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        <description>I’ve had paroxysmal Afib for about 10 years. I was taking Eliquis only when I had Afib. Recently I had a stroke apparently caused by afib, even though I didn’t have Afib when it happened. I am very fortunate to not have any lasting effects from the stroke, and am now on a blood thinner all the time. They also added a statin because even though my cholesterol is  actually pretty good it was added as a preventative measure. I’ve heard so many negative things about statins and am wondering if others have discontinued statins?
A couple more questions :
• I usually have Afib for 24 hours, and occasionally I’ve had episodes that last for 5 days. Now it’s been 6 days and I wonder if the statin if causing it to last longer?
• neuro said ablation probably wouldn’t work for me because of how many years I’ve had Afib, is this accurate?
• why do you have to wait for months after stroke before an ablation?

Thanks so much for this forum!</description>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Sdweller</strong><br />
The risk of a stroke is &quot;not zero&quot; for just about anyone right?</div></blockquote>
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More than &quot;just about.&quot; No one in the history of mankind has had a zero percent risk of stroke, not even as children.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ The risk of a stroke is &quot;not zero&quot; for just about anyone right?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Sdweller</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>gloaming</strong><br />
First I have ever heard of it.   .</div></blockquote>
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[<a href="https://youtu.be/0fWqQ1eoKWA?si=k7rfJH6H-6Xosfhq"  rel="nofollow">youtu.be</a>]]]></description>
            <dc:creator>KingFizzy</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Elizabeth</strong><br />
You quote a study by Astra Zeneca, what else do you except?</div></blockquote>
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It does say that diabetes risk is higher.  I actually agree with Dr. B and don&#039;t consume them myself.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>tobherd</strong><br />
I&#039;ve read that statins can cause diabetes....any truth to that?  Barb</div></blockquote>
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Yes.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>KingFizzy</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ You quote a study by Astra Zeneca, what else do you except?<br />
<br />
Dr. B says &quot;When any crucial biochemical pathway is poisoned, adverse effects are bound of occur.  Adverse effects:<br />
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1} Muscle pain and weakness.<br />
2) Body aches and pains<br />
3} Heart failure<br />
4) Cancer<br />
5) Brain fog and dementia<br />
6} Depression<br />
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It all comes down to physiology and biochemistry, Science does not lie. It is not in the best interest for most patients for the long term to poison a crucial enzyme such as HMG-CoA  reductase.  Dr. Brownstein has a whole chapter on statins he says cholesterol is not a substance to be feared,  we cannot live without adequate amounts of Cholesterol.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 23:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61190-8/fulltext"  rel="nofollow"><b>Cardiovascular benefits and diabetes risks of statin therapy in primary prevention: an analysis from the JUPITER trial</b></a><br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br /><b>Background</b><br />
In view of evidence that statin therapy increases risk of diabetes, the balance of benefit and risk of these drugs in primary prevention has become controversial. We undertook an analysis of participants from the JUPITER trial to address the balance of vascular benefits and diabetes hazard of statin use.<br />
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<b>Methods</b><br />
In the randomised, double-blind JUPITER trial, 17 603 men and women without previous cardiovascular disease or diabetes were randomly assigned to rosuvastatin 20 mg or placebo and followed up for up to 5 years for the primary endpoint (myocardial infarction, stroke, admission to hospital for unstable angina, arterial revascularisation, or cardiovascular death) and the protocol-prespecified secondary endpoints of venous thromboembolism, all-cause mortality, and incident physician-reported diabetes. In this analysis, participants were stratified on the basis of having none or at least one of four major risk factors for developing diabetes: metabolic syndrome, impaired fasting glucose, body-mass index 30 kg/m2 or higher, or glycated haemoglobin A1c greater than 6%. The trial is registered at ClinicalTrials.gov, NCT00239681.<br />
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<b>Findings</b><br />
Trial participants with one or more major diabetes risk factor (n=11 508) were at higher risk of developing diabetes than were those without a major risk factor (n=6095). In individuals with one or more risk factors, statin allocation was associated with a 39% reduction in the primary endpoint (hazard ratio [ HR ] 0·61, 95% CI 0·47–0·79, p=0·0001), a 36% reduction in venous thromboembolism (0·64, 0·39–1·06, p=0·08), a 17% reduction in total mortality (0·83, 0·64–1·07, p=0·15), and a 28% increase in diabetes (1·28, 1·07–1·54, p=0·01). Thus, for those with diabetes risk factors, a total of 134 vascular events or deaths were avoided for every 54 new cases of diabetes diagnosed. For trial participants with no major diabetes risk factors, statin allocation was associated with a 52% reduction in the primary endpoint (HR 0·48, 95% CI 0·33–0·68, p=0·0001), a 53% reduction in venous thromboembolism (0·47, 0·21–1·03, p=0·05), a 22% reduction in total mortality (0·78, 0·59–1·03, p=0·08), and no increase in diabetes (0·99, 0·45–2·21, p=0·99). For such individuals, a total of 86 vascular events or deaths were avoided with no new cases of diabetes diagnosed. In analysis limited to the 486 participants who developed diabetes during follow-up (270 on rosuvastatin vs 216 on placebo; HR 1·25, 95% CI 1·05–1·49, p=0·01), the point estimate of cardiovascular risk reduction associated with statin therapy (HR 0·63, 95% CI 0·25–1·60) was consistent with that for the trial as a whole (0·56, 0·46–0·69). By comparison with placebo, statins accelerated the average time to diagnosis of diabetes by 5·4 weeks (84·3 [SD 47·8] weeks on rosuvastatin vs 89·7 [50·4] weeks on placebo).<br />
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<b>Interpretation</b><br />
In the JUPITER primary prevention trial, the cardiovascular and mortality benefits of statin therapy exceed the diabetes hazard, including in participants at high risk of developing diabetes.<br />
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<b>Funding</b><br />
AstraZeneca.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ First I have ever heard of it.  Diabetes comes from severe metabolic syndrome which, in turn, comes from over-stuffed adipocytes. Your fat cells resist taking in more fat, which requires your pancreas to exhaust itself trying to produce even more, ever more, insulin to try to force the chemical reaction that makes cells store more fat.  I don&#039;t see what this has to do with LDL production.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gloaming</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I&#039;ve read that statins can cause diabetes....any truth to that?  Barb]]></description>
            <dc:creator>tobherd</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ After following all these great threads, I&#039;ve learned a life&#039;s worth of lessons. Thanks to all for your input. After nine years of absence from Afibbers.org, I&#039;ll stay tuned in. My life depends on it.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>chrisdodt</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Ken</strong><br />
Avoiding a stroke is a no brainer.</div></blockquote>
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Yep. As I like to remind people, death isn&#039;t the worst outcome from a stroke. It gets much worse than that.<br />
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Incidentally, I&#039;ve got a similar issue to yours. I&#039;m on Eliquis, but a couple of months ago I developed bursitis under my scapula. Hell, I didn&#039;t even know we have bursas there, but we do. It&#039;s painful as hell and it takes 800 mg of ibuprofen every 4 hours to tame it. So I had to stop the Eliquis, which I can do safely, but I&#039;d rather not. The real problem is one shouldn&#039;t take ibuprofen for long periods of time, and so at 1 month I switched to aspirin. At least that provides some clot protection, but I have to take more than I should (975 mg every 4 hours), which increases the GI bleed risk. I&#039;ve had one steroid injection and that helped, but I need another and have to wait 2 months to get it. Rock, hard place, between.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks guys for the input.  I had reached the same conclusion, and the issue that kept me from loving Eliquis is that because of a few orthopedic issues, I frequently take Naproxen for pain.  I do everything I want to do; it just hurts a bit when I am done.  Works better than Tylenol, but I can&#039;t take Naproxen with the Eliquis.  I have left over (not old) Eliquis that I will start taking tonight.  Avoiding a stroke is a no brainer.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ You should definitely be on Eliquis.  I resisted, even when the kind cardio said they had just about to approve a remedy/antidote for the new drug.  He was wrong, it turns out, although they do have a protocol for dealing with such drugs.  The point is, it&#039;s innocuous for the most part, well tolerated, and only retards clotting.  It doesn&#039;t &#039;prevent&#039; clotting.  If I cut myself, I might bleed a bit, same as before, but a compression for a few minutes, then a bandage, and stay out of the hot tub for a coupla nights...that&#039;s all it takes.  I scrubbed the front of my right shin but good ten days ago...lifted a nice flap of skin when I dragged my leg over the bench by our hot tub.  It didn&#039;t bleed much.  Two days later, I thought I was okay to shower, forgot and ran the towel over the area.  Lifted the skin right off this time.  Hardly bled at all.  Just sprayed with peroxide, dabbed dry, and replaced the bandage.  No muss, no fuss.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gloaming</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I&#039;m surprised they let you stop the Eliquis after the PE since if the cause is unknown that means the cause might still be present. And now with afib on top of that I think without question you should be on a full dose of Eliquis. You&#039;re greatly overestimating the risk of Eliquis and underestimating the risk of the PE and afib. People get this notion in their head that they&#039;ll bleed out from an injury while on Eliquis and that&#039;s really quite a remote possibility. It&#039;s not as powerful as people like to think, and modern medicine is quite capable of dealing with it. In 15 years as an EMT, I never once encountered external bleeding I couldn&#039;t control in people who were on anticoagulants, and I never saw anticoagulants be a major factor in internal bleeding. I recently listened to a discussion by a trauma surgeon at NYU Medical Center, a large level 1 trauma center. He said he had never once used or even seen the reversal agents used and that&#039;s out of 18,000 patients per year. They don&#039;t consider it a big deal.<br />
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I&#039;ve been on Eliquis continuously for years, and I cycle quite a bit. My risk of serious injury is far higher than windsurfing and scuba diving ever could be because if something goes wrong, I&#039;m going to be hitting pavement or a solid object at speed. I&#039;ll take ocean water over asphalt and moving cars every time.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Some guidance would be appreciated.  More info. regarding my situation.  In Feb. I had an &quot;unprovoked bilateral embolism&quot; which called for Eliquis for 6 months (no source of the blood clots was found).  Then early this week, I had a two-hour episode of afib at night, that was resolved with Flecainide (3 years free of afib since my last ablation). My GP thinks it&#039;s a good idea to go back on Eliquis (5mg x 2).  I was thinking maybe a half dose, but with the reoccurring afib and the recent history of PE, maybe the full dose is the answer.  I am very fit and occasionally get banged up a bit.  I spent 4 days windsurfing at the Outer Banks two weeks ago and will be scuba diving next week in Jamaica.  I am 78.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks for your clarification.  I dunno, the consensus here on this forum seems to be that once a person has had AF, and even if it is in remission, but especially for those older than 60-ish where we get a 1 on CHADS just &#039;cuz, it&#039;s a reasonable prophylaxis. Even so, one or two of our regulars here report that they are off anti-coagulants once they are deemed to be rid of AF, however temporarily it may turn out to be.  And here is the conventional wisdom, that many/most of us need the occasional redo of CA over years as we get more PACs and eventually AF, that if this is what our real situation is, we&#039;d best be on some kind of prophylaxis.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gloaming</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Gloaming,<br />
<br />
I had mis diagnosed/undiagnosed afib for 5 years.  Then correctly diagnosed and went on meds for 6 years with over 200 episodes of afib.  Then my first ablation, so the blood thinner was for those 6 years.  Now, no blood thinners for the last16 years except for a short period after my second ablation in 2020.  I guess I will consider a blood thinner again and talk to my Dr.  Suggested dosage?  I had no issues with Eliquis when I took it. <br />
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I should add that I took Eliquis for 6 months a year ago when I had a bilateral pulmonary embolism with no source identified.  The protocol was for 6 months on a blood thinner.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Everyone&#039;s risk of stroke rises as we age. With or without other comorbidities, your risk of stroke rises with each passing year.  That&#039;s why we&#039;ve done all the research over 60 years about coronary artery disease, strokes, and infarctions. We have learned that one or more comorbidities, of which AF is one, means the risk of a stroke taking one&#039;s life is at least twice what it would be for a standard normal distribution of all mortality risk for one&#039;s age.  Statins, with a lot of quibbling still over their efficacies, and anti-thrombotics have a modest predictive component of risk reduction to them.  I do mean modest....nothing spectacular just yet, not this early in their histories. However, with each passing year, and another 10K data points added, the statins don&#039;t show a significant rise in mortality reduction over what we learned 10 years ago, while anti-thrombotics apparently prevent a great many premature deaths related to atrial fibrillation-generated thromboses. <br />
<br />
I look at it as cheap insurance, although I do appreciate that Eliquis is not cheap for a great many who don&#039;t have legacy benefits. Their acquisition and use takes but minutes every month or three. <br />
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Ken, you were on blood thinners for only five years of your history.  Was that early, mid-range, or just in the past few years.  My guess is that, due to your age, and due to what I have described in the first paragraph, about our learning and conclusions based on the latest evidence, it is likely that only lately has your EP/Cardio advised you to begin taking them.  As our understanding changes, so does our behavior. Usually, anyway.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gloaming</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Ken</strong><br />
My CHADS2-VASc score is 2 (my age of 78).  With this, should I be on a blood thinner for life?</div></blockquote>
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Probably, yes. It&#039;s all a matter of risk tolerance. A CHADS-Vasc 2 is <a href="https://www.mdcalc.com/calc/801/cha2ds2-vasc-score-atrial-fibrillation-stroke-risk"  rel="nofollow">considered moderate-high risk</a> with a 2.2% chance of stroke per year (2.9% chance of stroke/TIA/systemic embolism). That may not sound high but remember, you&#039;re facing that 2.2% chance every year. When you consider the cumulative risk over a 10-year period, you&#039;re facing a 20% risk of stroke, which is plenty high enough for my tastes.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I have had two ablations, so my risk of stroke is higher than someone equal to me but without afib.  My CHADS2-VASc score is 2 (my age of 78).  With this, should I be on a blood thinner for life?  I don&#039;t recall that being the standard, so what is the recommendation?  My afib started in 1995 - 28 years ago, but I was only on a blood thinner for 5 years of that time, waiting or my first ablation.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Ken, I like your cardiologist. He didn’t sugarcoat but instead made suggestions.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>susan.d</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Ken. Per my recent visit with a cardiologist, he said as much. He told me once you have afib, you always have afib. And no matter how successful the ablation, your heart is preconditioned to have either a mild case of Afib or the sort of AFib that feels like a squirrel bouncing around in your chest, which is what suffered with for years. So we have choices: anticoagulants and periodic monitoring; and or the Watchman device. Hopefully, the Watchman will become accepted by more insurance providers.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>chrisdodt</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Dini</strong><br />
Thank you so much for the information, the neuro was very discouraging.<br />
Do you know why one has to wait so long before an ablation after a stroke? Do you have any experience with statins?</div></blockquote>
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If there is any benefit to statins it is not because of lowering LDL but in reduction of clotting.  People with hyperinsulinemia are more prone to clotting.  There hasn&#039;t been an RCT that I&#039;m aware of that tests statins against NOACs but likely this is overkill and bad medicine to add a statin which will reduce your immunity and lifespan.  The Swedish centenarian study proves that out.  <br />
<br />
[<a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11357-023-00936-w"  rel="nofollow">link.springer.com</a>] <br />
<br />
 <i><b>we found that a higher total cholesterol level was associated with a higher chance of becoming centenarian, which stands in contrast to clinical guidelines regarding cholesterol levels [29] but is in line with previous studies showing that high cholesterol is generally favorable for mortality in very old age [30].</b></i> <br />
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I&#039;d pursue this path - [<a href="https://arupconsult.com/content/fibrinolytic-disorders"  rel="nofollow">arupconsult.com</a>]]]></description>
            <dc:creator>KingFizzy</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 18:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,192900,193011#msg-193011</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Statins!   <br />
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[<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEXMChYQOc"  rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com</a>]]]></description>
            <dc:creator>KingFizzy</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 18:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,192900,192997#msg-192997</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the link, it was very informative. I am also intrigued by the Apple Watch trial. Someday maybe they’ll come up with a DOAC and statin that are better tolerated by those of us who are sensitive.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Dini</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2023 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,192900,192995#msg-192995</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ There&#039;s a recent paper suggesting that taking Statins may lower stroke risk for afib patients. <br />
<br />
B=https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/taking-statins-for-atrial-fibrillation-may-lower-stroke-risk<br />
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I read both the pro&#039;s and con&#039;s of statins and decided it was the best course for me. I never found it to affect my afib, or<br />
duration, one way or another. <br />
<br />
You should be getting an opinion about your ablation from an ep, not a neurologist. On the face of it, what the neuro said<br />
is wrong.<br />
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As to thinners-as-needed, there is now a multi-center trail just beginning in conjunction with Apple Watch, but with a previous stroke,<br />
staying on daily thinners makes the most sense.<br />
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Jim]]></description>
            <dc:creator>mjamesone</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 22:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,192900,192985#msg-192985</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Condolences on the loss of your friend Elizabeth. They are our most loyal companions and it’s so sad when they go.❤️]]></description>
            <dc:creator>JoyWin</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Is it possible the stroke risk after ablations could be somehow due to the fact that although the heart may be quieter post procedure , I (and others on this forum) can still feel very strong vibrations in top of chest. <br />
Many times when I think I have gone into AF, when I take my pulse my HR is ok but my chest is still quivering.<br />
Just a thought. We really don’t know all the ins and outs of AF as yet. I’d love to live long enough to see the beast put down.🫣]]></description>
            <dc:creator>JoyWin</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2023 12:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the link, George.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gloaming</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Afib and stroke</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Elizabeth</strong><br />
So George what is your conclusion?  Seems like nothing for sure.<br />
<br />
I had a cat and when I came home from the hospital and after 3 weeks of being home, my cat got Saddle Thrombosis, a stroke, the Vet said there was nothing we could do for her and that she was in a lot of pain, so I had to put her down.  She was my friend for 15 years, but it is so strange that we both got a stroke.  George do you have a link to that.</div></blockquote>
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On the paper, my conclusion is there is a lot we don&#039;t know.  Even in someone who has never had afib, stroke risk is not zero.<br />
<br />
I&#039;m sorry about your feline friend.  I&#039;ve had feline friends for over 40 years and know how attached I get to them.  I know nothing about Saddle Thrombosis.  Once, I did have a cat that passed suddenly at age 7.  I had my vet necropsy him and she could find nothing definite, but a stroke is certainly a possibility.  I think the fact you and your cat both had strokes near in time to each other is pure chance.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2023 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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