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        <title>Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
        <description> My EP prescribed Flecainide 50mg BID alone for me to treat my Afib. From what I read online most people seem to take Betablocker with Flecainide for safety reason (Nodal protection). Does this mean taking Flecainide alone is unsafe? I am very symptomatic with Afib, my resting HR in Afib is 90-100, I am afraid to do anything but lying down as my HR would jump too high (120-160).</description>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the information!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Yuxi</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2023 21:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Before my ablations with Dr. Natale, my local EP (who is an EXCELLENT EP), never recommended a beta blocker with my pill in the pocket flecainide protocol and I was taking 300mg at a time when I&#039;d have an episode. I had to take that probably a dozen times and I never had an issue. I had no idea that it was a good idea to take a beta blocker with it until just recently. <br />
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Dr. Natale, however, recommended I take a small dose of a beta blocker (25mg of metoprolol) with every 150mg of flecainide I take. This was the protocol he gave me when I was having break through episodes of atrial flutter during my blanking period. Fortunately, I never had to take the drugs because I converted on my own!<br />
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As for a wait to get an ablation with Natale, it&#039;s about 4 months right now if you&#039;re not an urgent case. This is based on my recent ablation I just had with him in late April. <br />
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Travis]]></description>
            <dc:creator>tvanslooten</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2023 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Nothing important to add to what George and Daisy said. I first contacted Natale&#039;s office in early May. I was stable on meds, and my ablation occurred in late August, so that was about 4 months. I think that&#039;s pretty typical. If you can afford the travel with only a week or so of notice, then by all means ask to be put on the cancellation list.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 23:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190691#msg-190691</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks again for the information!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Yuxi</dc:creator>
            <category>AFIBBERS FORUM</category>
            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 21:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190688#msg-190688</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>GeorgeN</strong><br />
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Thanks George, do you know how long is the wait for Natale ablation?<br />
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My friend says it is variable, based on how bad your situation is, they triage the list.    As flec is working pretty well for him, he&#039;s not at the top of the queue.  I&#039;m guessing Carey may have more insight.  Also, I think you can sign up to be on a cancellation list, if you are willing to go on short notice.</div></blockquote>
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Yes, triage, which is really important as there are patients who need an ablation on an urgent basis and they will go first. I waited 6 months from initial contact to my ablation date because I was stable on meds. However, toward the end the meds failed and I was totally ready to jump on the table when the date came around. The cancellation list is a good option though it might mean paying more for your plane ticket and hotel.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Daisy</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 20:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190686#msg-190686</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Yuxi</strong><br />
Thanks George, do you know how long is the wait for Natale ablation?</div></blockquote>
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My friend says it is variable, based on how bad your situation is, they triage the list.    As flec is working pretty well for him, he&#039;s not at the top of the queue.  I&#039;m guessing Carey may have more insight.  Also, I think you can sign up to be on a cancellation list, if you are willing to go on short notice.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 20:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190685#msg-190685</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks George, do you know how long is the wait for Natale ablation?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Yuxi</dc:creator>
            <category>AFIBBERS FORUM</category>
            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 19:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190681#msg-190681</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Yuxi</strong><br />
Thanks George and Carey, I will check with my EP next time.</div></blockquote>
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One question you could ask is if you should take a BB if you have a breakthrough and you increase your flec dosage for conversion.  This would mitigate the flutter risk from the larger dose.  Also, a friend, also diagnosed with afib in 2004, recently went on daily flec to hold him in NSR till he gets a Natale ablation.   During a visit with a new local EP, that EP mentioned to him that a BB would help increase the efficacy of the flec for this purpose.  My friend is also taking flec without a BB.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 17:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190670#msg-190670</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks George and Carey, I will check with my EP next time.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Yuxi</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2023 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ In a word, yes. <br />
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The risk of 1:1 conduction is low, and as George noted goes up with dosage and your dosage is small, but if you don&#039;t like a HR of 120-160 then you&#039;re <i>really</i> not going to like the 250+ that 1:1 conduction can produce. <br />
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Some EPs feel that the risk is so low it&#039;s not worth adding another drug, particularly if you&#039;re taking a fairly low dose as you are. Like everything in medicine, it&#039;s a judgement call and your EP likely has good reasons for their decision. Ask them about it next time.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2023 22:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190661#msg-190661</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ 1:1 atrial flutter is a risk with flec.  The BB will mitigate that risk.  My understanding is the higher the dose, the higher that risk is.  50 mg BID isn&#039;t a huge dose.  This is something to discuss with your EP.  I was prescribed 300 mg flec on-demand in 2004 without a BB (I weigh more than 154#&#039;s (70 kg), which is the cutoff for 300 mg, 200 mg/day for those weighing less).  I&#039;ve used it that way subsequently, including the last couple of years where I&#039;ve used low dose flec once a day (25 mg).  I&#039;ve not had the 1:1 flutter issue, though I have had flec convert me to lower rate flutter when I take 300 mg, which I then have to convert to afib (using non drug approaches) before I can convert to NSR.  After reducing my on-demand flec dose to 200 mg, I&#039;ve not had the flutter issue.  My approach is non-standard and I don&#039;t suggest others try it (certainly without EP advice).]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2023 20:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Is it safer to take Flecainide with Betablocker?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,190657,190657#msg-190657</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ My EP prescribed Flecainide 50mg BID alone for me to treat my Afib. From what I read online most people seem to take Betablocker with Flecainide for safety reason (Nodal protection). Does this mean taking Flecainide alone is unsafe? I am very symptomatic with Afib, my resting HR in Afib is 90-100, I am afraid to do anything but lying down as my HR would jump too high (120-160).]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Yuxi</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2023 20:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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