Flu Shot ? I would like to hear the pros and cons of taking a flu shot with Affibers. I am not in Afib and doing well. I just like to hear from the pros here about the yearly flu shot. https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159322#msg-159322 Thu, 14 May 2026 03:11:27 +0000 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,165426#msg-165426 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,165426#msg-165426 Lindy GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:49:43 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,160183#msg-160183 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,160183#msg-160183
Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community
Jing Yan, Michael Grantham, Jovan Pantelic, P. Jacob Bueno de Mesquita, Barbara Albert, Fengjie Liu, Sheryl Ehrman, Donald K. Milton and EMIT Consortium PNAS 2018; published ahead of print January 18, 2018, [doi.org] 1.Edited by Peter Palese, Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York, NY, and approved December 15, 2017 (received for review September 19, 2017)

Significance
Lack of human data on influenza virus aerosol shedding fuels debate over the importance of airborne transmission. We provide overwhelming evidence that humans generate infectious aerosols and quantitative data to improve mathematical models of transmission and public health interventions. We show that sneezing is rare and not important for—and that coughing is not required for—influenza virus aerosolization. Our findings, that upper and lower airway infection are independent and that fine-particle exhaled aerosols reflect infection in the lung, opened a pathway for a deeper understanding of the human biology of influenza infection and transmission. Our observation of an association between repeated vaccination and increased viral aerosol generation demonstrated the power of our method, but needs confirmation.
[www.pnas.org]


Note the observations in the Discussion segment indicating that infectious virus was found in just ‘exhaled’ breathing and didn’t have to come from a cough or sneeze.

It will be interesting to see if other studies are generated to confirm or deny these findings. Meanwhile, remember that it’s important to keep your vitamin D levels optimized and along with vitamin C for immune system support. Have a supply of Liposomal Vitamin C (LivOn Labs) so you can load up as a preventive since flu season will continue for several months.

Stay safe and be well.
Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 06 Feb 2018 19:49:03 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159607#msg-159607 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159607#msg-159607 [www.nejm.org]]]> Joe GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:14:58 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159448#msg-159448 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159448#msg-159448 [www.youtube.com]
Also @38:30 it was mentioned that the 1986 act that congress has passed reliefs manufacturers and medical professionals of almost all liability in the event of vaccine injury.
As for compulsion to vaccinate (not for flu shots): In June 2014 the courts ruled against the Check family upholding the Jacobson vs. Massachusetts ruling of 1905.]]> Joe GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 07 Dec 2017 22:42:36 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159442#msg-159442 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159442#msg-159442 Nurse Educator said to BE SMART and take the shot.]]> smackman GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 05 Dec 2017 21:43:22 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159432#msg-159432 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159432#msg-159432 Flu shots are optional in the US if you don't work for companies like theses:
[www.bmj.com]
Vaccine makers are taken off the hook by the vaccine injury compensation program (VICP). Not sure who pays for it.]]> Joe GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Mon, 04 Dec 2017 21:28:00 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159429#msg-159429 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159429#msg-159429
The Institute for Functional Medicine, headed by Mark Hyman, MD, notes on their website:

" Functional Medicine determines how and why illness occurs and restores health by addressing the root causes of disease for each individual. The Functional Medicine model is an individualized, patient-centered, science-based approach that empowers patients and practitioners to work together to address the underlying causes of disease and promote optimal wellness. It requires a detailed understanding of each patient’s genetic, biochemical, and lifestyle factors and leverages that data to direct personalized treatment plans that lead to improved patient outcomes." [www.ifm.org] Dr. Hyman was appointed to head the Center for Functional Medicine at the main campus of Cleveland Clinic in the Fall of 2014. His group has been been doing all the good things that the IFM has been promoting for many years and I understand it's very popular and very 'booked.'

Also, The American Academy for Anti-Aging and the American College for Advancement of Medicine have been providing excellent educational opportunities for those who have joined their organization ... as has been mentioned by Shannon when he's helped Dr. Hertoghe at the annual meetings. I haven't attended either in a long while, but loved the experiences when I did. Always lots to learn.

Getting back to the initial focus on the individual’s immune system functionality, practitioners of functional or restorative medicine continually emphasize that Immune system suppression or inadequacy (especially in the elderly) is related to nutritional deficiencies… rather than aging, itself. It is well known that when nutritional deficiencies are corrected, immunity is restored which gives them better protection than from vaccinations. The same observations are true in younger people.

Many people have never been tested for vitamin D levels. Vitamin D is actually a neurohormone that stimulates antimicrobial peptides (proteins) which are studied extensively for their ability to kill or inhibit many viruses, bacteria and fungi. And, the higher the vitamin D level (25 OH D), the more of the microbe killing peptides one makes. The elderly and especially those living in northern latitudes or who don’t get out regularly in natural sunlight year-round are prone to greater risk of serious infectious diseases. I would never want to let my vitamin D levels fall to where they were when I first began.

In addition to Vitamin D, there are other essential nutrients that help support and sustain a well-functioning immune system, naturally… a few of many include:
Curcumin, Resveratrol, Mixed Carotenoids, the right form of vitamin C, mixed tocopherols, zinc, selenium, core multi vitamin/minerals, and Beta 1,2/1/6 glucan which specifically boosts cellular immunity ‘on demand’ if you are exposed and feeling symptomatic. Another popular preventive is EpiCore which is a high-metabolite immunogen. The complex I’ve used for many years is Immunitone Plus by Designs for Health – “ an herbal blend that supports normal natural killer cell activity and the balance of cytokines which are the regulatory proteins released by immune cells as part of the normal immune system response.” (quoted from product description data) Testing to learn relevant marker status is always advised before starting random supplements.

Also, as noted previously, I find the liposomal form of vitamin C from LivOn Labs to be especially powerful and effective. Would not want to travel without it. Works very quickly on cold or flu-like symptoms. I gave samples to all my friends so they could have benefit and now they are all stocking up again for this winter’s season.

Best to all,
Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:52:52 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159426#msg-159426 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159426#msg-159426 The Anti-Fib GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sun, 03 Dec 2017 08:09:34 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159424#msg-159424 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159424#msg-159424
Thanks
Shannon]]> Shannon GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sun, 03 Dec 2017 07:26:49 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159422#msg-159422 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159422#msg-159422
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Elizabeth
Hans Larsen, founder of this site, believed in natural, non-pharmaceutical approaches even to stroke prevention.

Yes, and he believed in evidence-based medicine most of all. I respect Larsen's work and have used it to my own benefit despite the entire world of medicine telling me I was crazy and would kill myself. They came around to believe when I showed them it could be done, and I did that based mostly on information from Larsen on this site. So please save me the lectures.

This isn't about non-pharmaceutical vs. something else. This is about science and medicine. What works? What doesn't work? Says who and what sort of proof do they have? That's what this is about and when someone starts flinging known lies and distortions around, they need to be challenged.

Post evidence-based information from credible sources and I will never call it crap. Post conspiracy theories and outright lies from radio hosts and all bets are off.]]> Carey GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sun, 03 Dec 2017 05:50:04 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159420#msg-159420 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159420#msg-159420
I hope we all can comment on different subjects dealing with our health in a give and take manner without fear of being told it is crap. Hans Larsen, founder of this site, believed in natural, non-pharmaceutical approaches even to stroke prevention.

Liz]]> Elizabeth GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:23:38 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159419#msg-159419 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159419#msg-159419 CDC Vaccine Effectiveness. It is straightforward to understand the VE point estimate and confidence interval, and the different types of studies and health outcomes which support the CDC recommendation.]]> safib GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sun, 03 Dec 2017 00:05:00 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159418#msg-159418 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159418#msg-159418
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Joe
If that is indeed a lie, it should be countered. BTW, the other lie that vaccine makers can't be sued by vaccine damaged persons ...

Yes, it's a lie, along with so many other lies in that post I don't know where to begin.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr.... Why the hell does anyone care what a f*cking lawyer/author/radio host has to say about the CDC or vaccines? Why on earth would anyone think he knows a single thing about the subject? He makes his money saying outrageous crap to gain listeners and readers. You'd be better off getting your medical information from a Playboy bunny (which many anti-vaxxers do).

Here, read this if you want to begin to understand the depth of the lies posted above. It raises my blood pressure too much to consider replying in the detail that crap deserves.

I'm truly disappointed to see this site being turned into a forum for pseudo-science conspiracy theorists. There is no quicker way to destroy my confidence in this site and ruin its reputation among people who hold science and evidence-based medicine in esteem.]]> Carey GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sat, 02 Dec 2017 23:53:37 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159417#msg-159417 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159417#msg-159417
Did listen to a talk by Suzanne Humphries, M.D. and thought that she is extremely well qualified and able to talk sense.

I do think that flu shots, given that the exact strains have been chosen, do give a person immunity - at least to a degree. Of course, there are better ways of preventing a really bad flu but most people won't have the discipline or opportunity to achieve that. I choose not to have that stuff injected into me - not even if they payed me(:P)

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The CDC is one of the most corrupt arms of the federal government. It owns more than 20 patents on vaccines and according to activist and author Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the CDC makes $4.6 billion in profits from vaccine sales per year.
If that is indeed a lie, it should be countered. BTW, the other lie that vaccine makers can't be sued by vaccine damaged persons ...]]> Joe GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sat, 02 Dec 2017 22:48:58 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159415#msg-159415 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159415#msg-159415 Carey GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sat, 02 Dec 2017 22:10:30 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159413#msg-159413 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159413#msg-159413
Thank you for your splendid reporting on an important subject.

liz]]> Elizabeth GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sat, 02 Dec 2017 18:54:51 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159412#msg-159412 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159412#msg-159412 Blaylock Wellness Report which is devoted to vaccines.

Dr. Russell Blaylock is a nationally recognized, board-certified neurosurgeon, health practitioner, author, and
lecturer. He attended the Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his
internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, S.C. For 25
years, he has practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from his
neurosurgical duties to devote his full attention to nutritional studies and research.

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Studies: Flu Vaccines Don’t Benefit Adults
Most doctors get their vaccine information from the
CDC, which they assume is a reliable, highly scientific,
independent agency that has the best interests of the
public in mind.

Nothing could be further from the truth.
The CDC is one of the most corrupt arms of the
federal government. It owns more than 20 patents on
vaccines and according to activist and author Robert
F. Kennedy Jr., the CDC makes $4.6 billion in profits
from vaccine sales per year.

Pharmaceutical companies virtually own the CDC.
This corruption also extends to medical insurance
companies. For example, Blue Cross Blue Shield
financially punishes pediatricians who do not fully
vaccinate their patients.

Dr. Paul Thomas has explained that his medical
practice is rated by his insurance company for vaccine
compliance, and that pediatricians are given substantial
rewards for each child fully vaccinated on the CDC
schedule. Conversely, the doctors are punished if they
do not follow the schedule.

Pediatricians are paid $12 to $14 per shot. That
becomes a large part of the doctor’s income. This
explains why they get angry when mothers refuse to
follow their vaccine recommendations.

Dr. Thomas estimated that by not following the
CDC recommendations, he has lost more than $1
million dollars in payments.

One of the most impressive academic reviews on
vaccines was reported in the “Archives of Internal
Medicine.” It looked at studies covering 33 flu
seasons over 20 years involving people in multiple
communities.24

In 1980, only about 15 percent of elderly people
received the flu vaccine. By 2001, about 65 percent got
the vaccine. You would have expected to see fewer deaths
from the flu, as well as hospitalization, incidences of
pneumonia, and loss work. But the review found no
benefit from the vaccine in any of these areas. Other
studies have confirmed and extended these findings.25



Important Books and a Video on Vaccines
(from page 9)

The Vaccine Safety Manuel for Concerned Families and Health Practitioners
by Neil Z. Miller. This is an extensive review of all the major vaccines along
with analysis of numerous studies. I wrote the foreward to the book.

Miller’s Review of Critical Vaccine Studies
by Neil Z. Miller. This book contains all the major studies concerning vaccine safety and
effectiveness. Each of the studies is analyzed for the major findings.


Saying No to Vaccines: A Resource Guide for All Ages
by Sherri Tenpenny, D.O. Sherri is one of the leading experts on vaccine
safety and has written an excellent guide and analysis on vaccine safety.

Vaccine Whistleblower: Exposing Autism Research Fraud at the CDC
by Kevin Barry, Esq. This book exposes how the CDC purposefully
covered up data that proved a link between certain vaccines and autism.

A Shot in the Dark
by Harris L. Coulter and Barbara Loe Fisher.
This is the book that started the investigation into vaccine safety.
It mainly discusses the danger of the pertussis vaccine, but also
demonstrates how scientific fraud works.

Thimerosal: Let the Science Speak
by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
This book discusses all the major information, based on the best
science, concerning the harmful effect of thimerosal, the mercury-
containing additive in vaccines.


Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History
by Suzanne Humphries, M.D., and Roman Bystianyk. This book is a
treasury of information and history of infectious diseases and vaccines
by a recognized expert in the field.


The Truth About Vaccines.
In this seven-episode set of DVDs, prominent experts of vaccine safety are interviewed.
Comes with a written transcript. It is excellent. It is hosted by Ty Bollinger.

24. Simonsen L et al. Arch Inter Med 2005;265-72.

25. Thompson RE et al. Cochrane Database Syst Rev 2013; No 7, CD005187.[/small]

Subscriptions to Blaylock Wellness Report : [www.blaylockreport.com]

There is also a segment titled Better Ways to Prevent and Treat the Flu
that may be of interest to those who forego the annual vaccine shot. Glad to share with you... just send me a PM.

Healthy regards to all,
Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Sat, 02 Dec 2017 18:05:09 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159385#msg-159385 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159385#msg-159385
It was also downright vicious. People would wake up feeling fine, symptoms would appear suddenly in the afternoon, that night they'd start coughing up blood, and they'd be dead by morning.

Isolation certainly matters with any infectious disease, but that's hard to achieve. Even in 1918 during a world war the pandemic spread worldwide. Today a similar flu would spread as fast as jets can fly.]]> Carey GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 30 Nov 2017 23:14:34 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159377#msg-159377 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159377#msg-159377
It's certainly an individual choice. I'm more than happy with my success and I'm certainly not living in isolation.

Be well,
Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:15:25 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159371#msg-159371 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159371#msg-159371
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Elizabeth
Jackie:

I'm with you, I have never gotten a Flu shot, I live out in the country, raise a lot of my food, try to keep healthy. My mother went through that flu epidemic of 1918, my uncles, aunt, grandparents and didn't get the flu. They lived on a farm so they were more isolated, I would think that people living in close proximity to one another like the cities were more prone to getting the flu. Anyway we do what we think is right for ourselves.

Liz

Physical isolation can certainly factor into the decision to vaccinate or not; however, in many folks' cases (my own included) we are commuting to work 5 days a week. I, for instance, could find myself on an airplane flying cross country on just a day's notice. With such little control over my surroundings and interactions with numerous people from all over the world, I've chosen to vaccinate myself and family.

I certainly hope this year's batch is better than the 10% effectiveness reported above. Last March I was sidelined by the flu with 104.1F fever for two days and unable to move. I narrowly avoided hospitalization by sleeping naked in freezing weather to break the darn thing. It was not fun.]]> wolfpack GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 30 Nov 2017 20:02:35 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159369#msg-159369 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159369#msg-159369 safib GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:23:24 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159368#msg-159368 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159368#msg-159368
I'm with you, I have never gotten a Flu shot, I live out in the country, raise a lot of my food, try to keep healthy. My mother went through that flu epidemic of 1918, my uncles, aunt, grandparents and didn't get the flu. They lived on a farm so they were more isolated, I would think that people living in close proximity to one another like the cities were more prone to getting the flu. Anyway we do what we think is right for ourselves.

Liz]]> Elizabeth GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 30 Nov 2017 16:54:14 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159364#msg-159364 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159364#msg-159364 Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 30 Nov 2017 13:47:45 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159356#msg-159356 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159356#msg-159356 wolfpack GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:49:12 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159350#msg-159350 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159350#msg-159350
Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:45:56 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159347#msg-159347 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159347#msg-159347 GeorgeN GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:16:40 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159344#msg-159344 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159344#msg-159344
Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:23:11 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159343#msg-159343 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159343#msg-159343
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Ken
Why not get the shot?

My (tested) genetics clear many of the additives very slowly and therefore this creates an Alz D risk. This is me, not suggesting for anyone else. All my serum inflammatory markers are stellar as are my immune markers. I'll take the flu risk rather than the known increase in memory issues with my genetics. Always tradeoffs.]]> GeorgeN GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 28 Nov 2017 21:01:42 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159342#msg-159342 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159342#msg-159342
"The CDC recommends that all American adults get a flu vaccine every year. Even though the current vaccine is not perfect, there are many good reasons for you to get it. The vaccine does reduce your chance of getting the flu, especially when it matches up well with dominant flu strains.
The benefits of flu vaccine are particularly impressive in older adults. If you are 65 or older, it lowers your risk of death by 48%. One reason for this lowered risk is that getting the flu increases your risk of developing bacterial pneumonia, which is responsible for many hospitalizations and deaths. But this is not the only reason.

Inflammation is bad for your body, and increases your risk of heart attack or stroke. If you’ve ever had full-blown flu, and you remember how feverish, achy, and miserable you felt, you know that influenza is great at filling your body with inflammation. So, as you might expect, another benefit of the flu vaccine is that it reduces your risk of heart attack and stroke."

From a 2015 article: [www.health.harvard.edu][/url]]]> Ken GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:08:31 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159340#msg-159340 Re: Flu Shot ? https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,159322,159340#msg-159340
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GeorgeN
Not arguing that flu isn't bad. Most general public think that vaccines are 100% effective. They are not.

No vaccine is 100% effective and I don't' know that the general public necessarily thinks so.]]> Carey GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 28 Nov 2017 15:47:32 +0000