[b]-- Fluoride - The Aging Factor. How to Recognize and Avoid the Devastating Effects of Fluoride[/b] (1993) Biochemist John Yiamouyianis, PhD http://www.amazon.com/Fluoride-Aging-Factor-Recognize-Devastating/dp/0913571032/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1355082859&sr=1-1 [b]-- Fluoride - The Aging Factor[/b] Excerpts, Chapters 4, 6, 8, 17.http://www.whale.to/a/fluoride_the_aging_factor.html [b]-- The Fluoride Poisoning Conspiracy.[/b] http://www.whale.to/d/fluoride.html "Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not of all time." [b]Robert Carton, Ph.D. former U.S. EPA scientist.[/b] [b]-- Fluoridation: A Horror Story[/b] by researcher Wade Frazier http://www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm [u]Quote[/u]: "John Yiamouyiannis, in his influential 'Fluoride - The Aging Factor', described how [b]the fluorine ion disrupts enzyme activity and attacks DNA and protein.[/b] In his theories, backed up by research, [b]the fluorine ion particularly disrupts hydrogen bonds.[/b] When chemicals are dumped together, the elements that have a higher bonding affinity will "steal" the bonds from other elements. Because it holds its electrons more tightly than any other element, fluorine forms the smallest negatively charged ions of all the elements, and that small size allows them to go where larger ions cannot. Those [b]fluorine ions can get into the nooks and crannies of larger molecules, such as enzymes and DNA, and wreak biological havoc.[/b] Those fluorine ions disrupt weaker bonds in those larger molecules, damaging or destroying the original substance, disabling its biochemical usefulness. The fluorine ion acts similarly to "free radicals" in the body, with its net electrical charge interfering with biochemical reactions. [b]That is how the fluorine ion harms or kills people.[/b]" [b]-- The Fluoride Deception[/b] (2006) http://www.amazon.com/dp/1583227008/ref=rdr_ext_tmb Investigative journalist Christopher Bryson [b]-- Christopher Bryson interview video[/b] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReJhMxTJVyo "Christopher Bryson is an excellent narrator, and he reports on recent research previously not known to me. Especially I am intrigued by the story about Phyllis Mullenix and her animal research on the influence of fluoride on behavior and brain development. . . . It is my sincere hope that his book will receive the attention it deserves and that its implications will be seriously considered." [b]Dr. Arvid Carlsson, 2000 Nobel Prize Laureate for Medicine.[/b] "In much the same way biologist Rachel Carson warned us over forty years ago in Silent Spring about the havoc and harm being caused by the misuse of persistent pesticides, journalist Christopher Bryson here lays bare the secret story and hidden dangers of the introduction of fluoride chemicals from the cold war era into our drinking water. The irrefutable evidence of duplicity and cover-up presented in this book is hair-raising. The Fluoride Deception presents a scorching indictment of how researchers and health care officials working closely with government agencies, big industry, and their attorneys have allowed themselves to surrender their responsibility for the medical well-being of their fellow citizens." [b]Dr. Albert W. Burgstahler, former president of the International Society for Fluoride Research and Emeritus Professor of Organic Chemistry, University of Kansas.[/b] "Bryson is right on in his emphasis on the ineffectiveness of fluoridation of water with industrial wastes, and its risks of nerve and brain damage, and cancer, coupled with the long-standing industrial conspiracy to suppress this information." [b]Dr. Samuel S. Epstein, chairman of the Cancer Prevention Coalition and Professor Emeritus of Environmental and Occupational Medicine, University of Illinois School of Public Health.[/b] "The Fluoride Deception compellingly and inescapably exposes the murderous fraud that heads of state and industry have for decades perpetrated on an innocent public. Extremely well written and tightly researched, The Fluoride Deception is sure to become the 'must read' book in this important and burgeoning field." [b]Derrick Jensen, author of 'The Culture of Make Believe' and 'A Language Older Than Words'.[/b] [b]-- Iodine Protects Against Fluoride Toxicity[/b] http://blog.imva.info/medicine/iodine-protects-fluoride-toxicity/ Dr. Mark Sircus ================================== [u]Further information[/u] [b]-- Protein structure[/b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_structure "To be able to perform their biological function, proteins fold into one or more specific spatial conformations, driven by a number of non-covalent interactions such as hydrogen bonding, ionic interactions, Van Der Waals forces, and hydrophobic packing." [b]-- Hydrogen bond[/b] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bonds "Hydrogen bonding also plays an important role in determining the three-dimensional structures adopted by proteins and nucleic bases. In these macromolecules, bonding between parts of the same macromolecule cause it to fold into a specific shape, which helps determine the molecule's physiological or biochemical role. The double helical structure of DNA, for example, is due largely to hydrogen bonding between the base pairs, which link one complementary strand to the other and enable replication." [b]-- Peptide hormones[/b] [proteins] http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/peptide-hormones.php https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135074#msg-135074 Thu, 14 May 2026 02:29:10 +0000 Phorum 5.2.23 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135250#msg-135250 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135250#msg-135250
That fluoride is in groundwater, lots of it in some, is a no-brainer. One way to understand why there's this ongoing water fluoridation horror is by understanding that soluble fluoride compounds are in the rocks of aquifers. This leads to understanding that refining aluminum, for example, from fluoride-containing rocks leaves behind quantities of highly toxic fluoride wastes that must be disposed of somehow. Rather than costing the companies huge sums to do so, the powers-that-be figured out how to turn a profit on it, hence municipalities paying huge sums to profit the companies that produce the toxic wastes.

And of course there's much more to the story than that, so please everybody, for deep understanding of this please watch the hugely important 1/2 hour interview with researcher Christopher Bryson, author of The Fluoride Deception: [www.youtube.com]

Erling.]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:19:15 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135247#msg-135247 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135247#msg-135247
You aren't reading my posts either, so we are even in that regard. Your presentation is getting better; a couple of posts back, you only had 2 links, that is a big improvement. Your last post only had one, you get a gold star-

My post on the other board was to provide an alternate viewpoint of information that was factually questionable. This debate has run its course and because very few people read the General Health forum, hopefully no afibbers have been harmed.

I will await Jackie's forthcoming report; that will surely be a well balanced review of all sides of the issue.


Millions drinking it every day, staying in rhythm and not dying either.

EB]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:05:23 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135246#msg-135246 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135246#msg-135246
FiveBox, I've always known you don't read my "informercials" (sarcastic for 'facts'), or you'd be informed, right? But I didn't know that nobody does. How do you know that? - aren't you just "projecting"?

So of course you never read the big CR 72 'informercial' either, so let me try to explain some of it to you. It lays out the importance of proper configuration ("conformation" to the informed) of cell membrane proteins called pumps and channels and receptors etc. Their critical performance in creating and maintaining normal heart rhythm results from their critical conformation.

Earlier you wanted fluoride 'debated' on the Afib forum, but since you now want Afib on this General Health forum, and wanting to accommodate your thirst for knowledge, let's just combine the two with this brief sentence:

Fluoride ions break the bonds that hold proteins in their functional conformation, thus destroying their ability to create and maintain normal heart rhythm.

If for some reason you want more on this you can always read the CR 72 informercial at [www.afibbers.org] There you'll be offered an opportunity (refs. 4 and 5) to learn specific information about the sodium-potassium pump and to view its protein structure, along with pictures of the calcium pump and proton pump proteins [www.pdb.org] For your information, the individual elements in the computer-generated pictures are individual amino acid held in their critical functional positions by 'hydrogen bonds' [en.wikipedia.org]

Erling]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:49:33 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135245#msg-135245 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135245#msg-135245
Jackie knows that fluoride is found as 'naturally occurring' in water supplies depending the geographical area. That's been supported by fact since dental fluorosis was discovered in areas of Texas, Colorado and Michigan back in the 1930's. It's in the scientific literature. It's not my belief.. it's a fact.

Depending on the concentration of naturally-occurring fluoride in drinking water, the consequences are detrimental notwithstanding the obvious of dental fluorosis (mottled teeth) and the impact on bone health. If communities add more fluoride to municipal water treatment and that water already contains natural fluoride, then there are even more detrimental effects and I have concern about the increasing prevalence of what's mentioned about 'dumbing-down' the population and the increased prevalence of osteoporosis and brittle bones... but my focus here for afibbers is the associative connection where fluoride masquerades as iodine and contributes to thyroid dysfunction - a known contributor to arrhythmia. Eventually, I'll compile a report on that science. I'm currently working on another research project.

The added impurities contained in commercially-added fluoride are yet another topic. As so often pointed out by the experts who are concerned with the toxic burdens that we face today (we live in a toxic world), in many cases, the detoxification systems of both adults and children are on such severe overload that very significant health issues are surfacing as a result. It makes no sense to add by-product toxins along with fluoride especially since fluoride has no recognition as being an element that has a function or even belongs int the body or the first place. Animals too. If you have pets drinking fluoridated water... that's another concern. .

As for the fluoride not preventing cavities... I saw that evidence first-hand during 25 years in the dental office. I think it's criminal to continue to insist children take fluoride tablets when they live in areas without fluoridated municipal water or give them in-office fluoride treatments.

While it's difficult to prioritize the least detrimental effects of fluoride... among those which I consider most alarming is the damage to the brains and central nervous system. Without a fully-functioning brain and mind, where are we?

Jackie]]> Jackie GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:06:20 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135233#msg-135233 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135233#msg-135233 Pineal Gland.
About 2 min into it she really goes into the negative effects of fluoride.
Some of the effects we havn't discussed yet.
[www.youtube.com]]]> Todd GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:51:32 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135220#msg-135220 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135220#msg-135220
To Sam, you can call anything you want meaningless, but it is a fact that millions drink it every day and they stay in NSR. That is not meaningless (a double negative). It HAS meaning. Can you cite cases where people drank it and it was confirmed that fluoride caused their afib?
There is a post by PC on the main board that talks about how afib is a complex disease; we all wish we could find "one" cause and address that. It just doesn't work that way.

This is a passionate subject and clearly people who don't want fluoridated water need to live on well (although Jackie believes that naturally occurring fluoride is a terrible risk too.)

But it is not a trigger for LAF.]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:06:15 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135216#msg-135216 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135216#msg-135216
Then perhaps Mag/pot, too much exercise and stress have nothing to do with people getting AF, I have always believed that we have a genitic bend for AF, I have it in my family and many on this board have said the same thing. Why is it that many have tried the protocols espoused on this board and still get AF and eventually a lot opt for ablations. A healhy lifestyle makes a difference in our health and following some of the points put forth is helpful to us but frankly most aren't rid of AF.

Also, a number of people seem to have MVP, I have a slight MVP, I bIelieve PC has said he too has/had that, there are many variables to this AF. I think this thread is going off in a tangent and really isnt too helpful. Hans has said he doesn't think that fluoride causes AF, I go along with that.

Liz]]> Elizabeth H. GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:50:21 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135215#msg-135215 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135215#msg-135215 The Fluoride Poisoning Conspiacy [www.whale.to]

“I know of absolutely no, and I mean absolutely no means of prevention that would save so many lives as simply to stop fluoridation, or don’t start it where it is otherwise going to be started. There you might save 30,000 or 40,000 or 50,000 lives a year, cancer lives. That is an awful lot of lives a year.”

Dr. Dean Burk Ph.D (34 years at the National Cancer Institute).
Judicial hearing, January 14, 1982.

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Dean Burk [en.wikipedia.org]

"Dean Burk (March 21, 1904 – October 6, 1988) was an American biochemist: a co-discoverer of biotin,[1] medical researcher, and a cancer researcher at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the National Cancer Institute. In 1934, he developed the Lineweaver–Burk plot together with Hans Lineweaver.[2]

Dean was the second of four sons born to Frederic Burk, the founder of the San Francisco Normal School, a preparatory school for teachers which eventually became San Francisco State University. He entered the University of California at Davis at the age of 15. A year later, he transferred to the University of California at Berkeley, where he received his B.S. in Entomology in 1923. Four years later he earned a Ph.D. in biochemistry."]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:46:52 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135211#msg-135211 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135211#msg-135211 Millions of people are deficient in Magnesium and/or Potassium and don't get Afib.
Millions of people exercise too much and don't get Afib.
Millions of people suffer from stress and don't get Afib.
Etc, etc.
This doesn't change the fact, as seen time and again on this forum, that large numbers do get Afib for these very reasons. Your statement that millions drink flouridated water and don't get Afib is meaningless.]]> Sam GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:32:54 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135210#msg-135210 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135210#msg-135210
And to my main point, if you are an afibber, you need not worry about fluoride as an afib trigger.]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:09:21 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135202#msg-135202 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135202#msg-135202 Water fluoridation and Dental health indicators in Rural and Urban Areas of the US

the toxic effects of fluoride are well documented, just google it. It's all there if you are willing to look.

Personally I believe those organizations that you mentioned will sooner of later be forced to change their stance due to overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Science will win in the end.

Seeking the Truth

Adrian]]> Adrian GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:25:56 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135195#msg-135195 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135195#msg-135195
There are lots of viewpoints on this issue. I have read plenty of the posts of people who are against fluoridation. Some people very well may have legitimate concerns, others may have an axe to grind for some other reason. Hans is against fluoridation, although in an earlier post he said he saw no connection between fluoridation and afib (he opposes it for other reasons).

I have a couple of reasons I support it. For one thing, when you have organizations like the World Health Organization, Health Canada, the American Dental Association, etc. overwhelmingly state the benefit of it, I tend to believe that those people have the public interest at heart.

But the heart of my argument with Erling is that this website is supposed to be about atrial fibrilation. As I have stated more than once, millions of people drink fluoridated water every day, and they stay in NSR. Erling hasn't posted anything that refutes that-

So feel free to agree or disagree-

EB]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:05:50 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135191#msg-135191 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135191#msg-135191
Edit: Never mind I just read some more of your replies

Adrian]]> Adrian GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:38:59 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135190#msg-135190 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135190#msg-135190
Q: Did you hear oxygen went on a date with potassium?
A: It went OK.
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We would like to apologize for not adding more jokes... but we only update them.... periodically!
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Q: Anyone know any jokes about sodium?
A: Na
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Making bad chemistry jokes because all the good ones Argon
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Q: What is the most important rule in chemistry?
A: Never lick the spoon!
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Helium walks into a bar,
The bar tender says "We don't serve noble gasses in here."
Helium doesn't react.
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Silver walks up to Gold in a bar and says, "AU, get outta here!"
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Two chemists go into a restaurant.
The first one says "I think I'll have an H2O."
The second one says "I think I'll have an H2O too" -- and he died.
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Q: What did the scientist say when he found 2 isotopes of helium?
A: HeHe
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Q: Why was the mole of oxygen molecules excited when he walked out of the singles bar?
A: He got Avogadro's number!
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A proton and a neutron are walking down the street.
The proton says, "Wait, I dropped an electron help me look for it."
The neutron says "Are you sure?" The proton replies "I'm positive."
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Money has recently been discovered to be a not-yet-identified super heavy element.
The proposed name is: Un-obtainium.
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As an ion chromatography chemist I made this one up:
Anions aren't negative, they're just misunderstood.
(kind of like Erling)
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The optimist sees the glass half full.
The pessimist sees the glass half empty.
The chemist see the glass completely full, half in the liquid state and half in the vapor state.
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Q: What do chemists call a benzene ring with iron atoms replacing the carbon atoms?
A: A ferrous wheel.
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Q: If H2O is the formula for water, what is the formula for ice?
A: H2O cubed.
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Q: What did the bartender say when oxygen, hydrogen, sulfur, sodium, and phosphorous walked into his bar?
A: OH SNaP!
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A neutron walks into a bar. He asks the bartender, "How much for a beer?" The bartender offers him a warm smile and says, "For you, no charge".
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Q: What do you do with a dead chemist?
A: Barium
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Q: What did one ion say to the other?
A: I've got my ion you.

Erling, if you need me to explain any of these, you let me know.

EB]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:18:25 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135189#msg-135189 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135189#msg-135189
You don't need to be a chemist to understand that millions of people drink fluoridated water every day, and they all stay in NSR.

Does that bother you somehow? It is really a good thing, and their teeth are stronger too.

EB]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:07:31 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135188#msg-135188 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135188#msg-135188
-- Fluorine (F) is the element, Atomic No. 9 in the Periodic Table of Elements [www.webelements.com]
Clicking chemical symbol F brings up Fluorine: the essentials [www.webelements.com]
"Fluorine is a Group 17 element. Fluorine is the most electronegative and reactive of all elements. It is a pale yellow, corrosive gas, which reacts with practically all organic and inorganic substances. Finely divided metals, glass, ceramics, carbon, and even water burn in fluorine with a bright flame. It is not uncommon to see fluorine spelled incorrectly as flourine." (continue)

-- Fluoride (F-) is the fluorine ion. The terms "fluoride ion" and "fluorine ion" are sometimes used interchangeably.
Fluoride [en.wikipedia.org]
Fluoride is the anion F−, the reduced form of fluorine when as an ion and when bonded to another element. Inorganic fluorine containing compounds are called fluorides. Fluoride, like other halides, is a monovalent ion (−1 charge). Its compounds often have properties that are distinct relative to other halides. Structurally, and to some extent chemically, the fluoride ion resembles the hydroxide ion. (continue)

-- Fluorine [en.wikipedia.org]
Fluorine (symbol F) is the chemical element with atomic number 9. It is the lightest halogen. At standard pressure and temperature, fluorine is a pale yellow gas composed of diatomic molecules, F2. Fluorine is the most electronegative element and is extremely reactive, requiring great care in handling. It has a single stable isotope, fluorine-19.
In stars fluorine is rare compared to other light elements. In Earth's crust fluorine is the thirteenth most abundant element. (continue)

-- From Healing is Voltage by biophysicist Jerry Tennant, MD:
The problem is that fluoride is a "bully". Any time an atom of fluoride and an atom of any other halogen are in the same vicinity, the fluoride will displace the other halogen and take its place. The thyroid hormone T4 is a protein comprised of tyrosine attached to four iodides. However, when you consume fluoride, it displaces the iodides and you get fake thyroid hormone.
One problem is that our blood tests can't tell the difference between the real and the fake hormone. Another problem is that the fake one doesn't work. Thus your blood tests are normal but your body is really deficient of functional thyroid hormone. This is called Type II hypothyroidism.
Because most Americans consume fluoride in water, toothpaste, visits to the dentist, etc., most Americans have Type II hypothyroidism!!! (continue from p. 190)]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:05:39 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135187#msg-135187 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135187#msg-135187
I do not claim to be a chemist, however is there any confusion about the subject of this thread? This thread deals with fluoridation of water; if there is anyone who doesn't understand that, then they probably got lost in one of Erling's links.

In the very first post, Erling uses the term fluorine as well as fluoride. IMHO the average layperson or reader of this website cannot tell you the difference. Was his usage correct?

When Jackie talks about the suspected naturally occurring element in her well water, what is the correct term?

I believe the most important fact in this entire debate is that every day, millions of people drink fluoridated water and they DON'T go into afib. I can see nothing in Erling's posts that disagree with that.

My apologies for any technical mis-statements on my part.

EB]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:31:10 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135186#msg-135186 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135186#msg-135186
It would be desirable if you, and others, discussing this subject could make sure you make a clear distinction between fluorine and fluoride. Fluorine is a higly reactive gas which is definitely not found in its free form in nature. As a matter of fact it takes some highly complicated processes to produce it. Fluoride is a compound of the fluorine ion and another inorganic or organic molecule, for example sodium fluoride (NaF) as used to fluoridate water. Please note that NaF dissolved in water is no more likely to generate fluorine gas than NaCl (table salt) dissolved in water is likely to generate chlorine gas.

Hans]]> Hans Larsen GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:38:58 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135184#msg-135184 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135184#msg-135184 Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:30:55 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135182#msg-135182 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135182#msg-135182 But so what?" What ???

Check with Dr. Connett]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:54:43 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135179#msg-135179 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135179#msg-135179
Millions drink fluorinated water every day and stay in NSR- so your "fact" is meaningless.

Fluorine paranoia is a great time waster. People talk about it but it doesn't really mean anything other than prevention of tooth decay.]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:58:52 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135175#msg-135175 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135175#msg-135175
Theory: "A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena. . ."
Fact: "Something concrete used as a basis for further interpretation."

It's a concrete fact that the human body comprises 100,000-plus different proteins, each with specific structure and function. Proteins are "the stuff of life".

It's also a concrete fact that fluoride ions undo the "hydrogen bonds" that hold a protein's complex structure together, thereby destroying the protein's function. Consider the various proteins that pump.and control the flow of electrolytes in and out of cells, generating and controlling the heartbeats. A good example is the sodium / potassium pumps. Destroying their function destroys the cells' ability to create and sustain NSR.

Erling

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-- Na/K pump, Ca pump, Proton pump structure models [www.pdb.org]

-- Na/K pump functional description and animation [www.vivo.colostate.edu]]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:04:41 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135174#msg-135174 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135174#msg-135174
Of course, based on Jackie's theory, fluorine occurs naturally so you will not be able to avoid it.

Millions ingest it every day-]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:51:55 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135166#msg-135166 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135166#msg-135166

"A scientific theory is empirical, and is always open to falsification if new evidence is presented. That is, no theory is ever considered strictly certain as science accepts the concept of fallibilism. The philosopher of science Karl Popper sharply distinguishes truth from certainty. He writes that scientific knowledge "consists in the search for truth", but it "is not the search for certainty ... All human knowledge is fallible and therefore uncertain."[42]



I am not an advocate of fluoride --- I guess everybody has their concept of truth.

Liz]]> Elizabeth H GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:26:54 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135165#msg-135165 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135165#msg-135165
Adrian is absolutely correct. If what you say was true it would mean there aren't any facts, only conflicting opinions thought to be facts. Please read everything with understanding -- it's the only way to get at the truth..

I hope by now you've watched the 1/2 hour interview with Christopher Bryson, author of The Fluoride deception. It was presented in the first post: [www.youtube.com]

Erling]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:54:37 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135156#msg-135156 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135156#msg-135156
L]]> Elizabeth H. GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:29:36 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135153#msg-135153 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135153#msg-135153


Adrian]]> Adrian GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:21:58 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135138#msg-135138 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135138#msg-135138 Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:17:27 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135136#msg-135136 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135136#msg-135136
Look into Hemp Oil as a cancer and other cures. Youtube has plenty of video's about it.
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Rick Simpson is the one who is into it.
Maybe with the legalization of it in some states, Hemp Oil will be available legally soon.
There's video's on how to make it yourself on Youtube :-)]]> Todd GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:39:28 +0000 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135124#msg-135124 https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?10,135074,135124#msg-135124
Twenty-some years ago there was a US TV program called "The X-Files"; the two main characters were convinced that a goverrnment conspiracy and cover-up had hidden information related to aliens landing on earth in the 50's. It also dealt with more serious things like the Yeti. I think the search for the truth on fluorine is kind of like the X-Files-

I can certainly understand the viewpoint that "it's my water and I want it natural;" I don't feel strongly enough about it to move out of the City into the woods (and of course Jackie believes that it occurs naturally, you cannot get away from it!)

But if anyone feels that strongly they should move, or dig a well. I grew up with lots of kids who lived on rural wells and they typically lost several teeth; but at least no one was forcing them to take something.

Frankly, anyone who loses more than a minute of sleep over fluorine needs to chill-]]> Anonymous User GENERAL HEALTH FORUM Tue, 11 Dec 2012 02:41:52 +0000