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            <title>Re: Amniioderone and ablation questions</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ If you&#039;ve failed all the antiarrhythmics other than amiodarone and sotalol, then amiodarone isn&#039;t an unreasonable choice for a limited period of time. Yes, it has all those nasty side effects you&#039;ve heard about but for short-term use it&#039;s usually pretty benign. It&#039;s long-term use where people run into problems with it. Stopping it isn&#039;t difficult. It just takes a very long time to fully clear from your system (weeks, months). So all in all, I wouldn&#039;t be overly concerned.<br />
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And definitely no reason for concern about the diltiazem. If you stop it and your heart rate goes much higher, that&#039;s not really a big deal unless you&#039;ve got comorbidities you haven&#039;t mentioned. It may not be comfortable to have a heart rate of 120+ but it won&#039;t do you any harm for a limited period of time. Same with metoprolol. <br />
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Basically, you have to accept that you may be uncomfortable for the few days prior to your ablation, but you&#039;ll be safe. Sounds to me like your EP knows what they&#039;re doing.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 02:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Amniioderone and ablation questions</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Why are you being asked to take amiodarone?  Are you still experiencing a high burden of ectopy or AF or flutter?  Some paroxysmal ectopy or AF is to be expected for ablatees in the first five or six weeks.  They &#039;should&#039; drop off after that.  We need more information.<br />
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Amiodarone needs to be tapered normally, but if it turns out to be toxic for you, they won&#039;t ask you to taper; they&#039;ll ask you to stop taking it cold turkey. <br />
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I took amiodarone for eight weeks four years ago.  I didn&#039;t like it, but it did help me to beat my nasty arrhythmia a week after my first ablation. I tapered for two weeks taking 200 mg per day.  I was fine after that, and the Holter came about two weeks later.<br />
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Amiodarone stays in abundance in the human body for weeks after ceasing it.  I am not qualified in medicine, so my opinion is only that...an opinion.  I don&#039;t see why a person would be asked to take a powerful anti-arrhythmic drug like amiodarone and take it right up to the time of the Holter.  It&#039;s residue will mask what the heart wants to do.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gloaming</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Amniioderone and ablation questions</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I have an ablation this month. They were talking about doing amnioderone during the blanking period.  I have exhausted all other rhymes drugs except that and Sotolol.  I have heard horrific things about amnioderone.  It would likely be for a short time (3-6 months) but have heard even getting off it can be difficult. They will make that decision game time depending on how things look.   The ablation is primarily for a-flutter but probably some fib.  Multiaq is supposed to have been a better cousin but I had such horrible abdominal side efffects I had to quit.<br />
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Also I am on rate control drugs.  diltiasem.  Last weekend I was in flutter so I took (as prescribed) metropolis. when I went back in sinus my HR went to 40 at one point.  It recovered pretty quick.  So before the ablation they are stopping the rate control drugs.  I just feel that I could be in serious trouble. I take the short acting 60 mg every 6 hours.  I also have a CT 2 days prior.  If I am off then and I have gotten super nervous at these before, I can see it shooting up.  Anyone have any thoughts here? questions for me to ask the team?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>bettylou4488</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2026 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Chia seeds</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ This is just FYI<br />
I met a man from Singapore recently and he told me that he&#039;d had a heart rhythm problem since he was young. He was now retired, so I guess in his early 70&#039;s. He said that he hadn&#039;t had an ablation and wasn&#039;t taking any anti-coagulants. Perhaps it wasn&#039;t a very serious rhythm problem. But what I found interesting was that he said that for the past 2 years he&#039;d been soaking chia seeds in water over night and eating them the next day. He said that from taking the chia, his heart rhythm had improved a lot.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>TomR</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Is there any connection between ocular migraines and Afib?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I went through a several year period where I got them often. First presented before my first ablation, and often in the immediate years after that and the watchman. <br />
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Last week I had the pneumonia vax, and mRNA doses of over 50 flu and covid. 3 days later, my first ocular in about a couple years.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>AB Page</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2026 12:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is there any connection between ocular migraines and Afib?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks, Carey.  Hoping it doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m more likely to have a stroke or something................]]></description>
            <dc:creator>BarbB</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is there any connection between ocular migraines and Afib?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I have the same experience as you, JDfiB - although Im not sure if I had one the month before my ablation or not....I wasn&#039;t recording them then like I do now. Same thing...I can go quite awhile without one, and then I might have one for today, tomorrow and 2 days later.  It is annoying. Just hoping it doesn&#039;t mean anything concerning is happening.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>BarbB</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Is there any connection between ocular migraines and Afib?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I had them pre ablation and I&#039;ve had them post ablation. They are very random. I will go a long time with out them and then i&#039;ll have them every couple of weeks. They last 20 minutes to a half hour and they don&#039;t hurt but are annoying. I can&#039;t seem to find a connection to why I have them.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>JDfiB</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 03:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Is there any connection between ocular migraines and Afib?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Yes, there&#039;s a connection, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s electrical. What goes on in your heart electrically really has nothing to do with what goes on in your brain. The more likely explanation is that the microscopic blood clots that can be released by an ablation (or Watchman procedure) are the cause. I experienced my first ocular migraine (aka a scintillating scotoma) a month or so after my second ablation and I&#039;ve experienced them periodically ever since. They&#039;re not frequent enough or long-lasting enough to be an annoyance for me.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Is there any connection between ocular migraines and Afib?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ After 10 years of Afib, I had an extensive LAA ablation with Dr. Natale in 2013, and 9 months later, a Flutter ablation with him as well. I also got the Watchman on my birthday (!) in January of 2023<br />
<br />
In May of 2014 I had my first ocular migraine, and have since had many episodes.  I rarely get a headache, but I do get the shimmering watery look or a colorful kaleidescope of colors.  It goes away after 20-30 minutes of shutting my eyes.<br />
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When I Googled what causes ocular migraines, it mentioned that they might occur from abnormal electrical activity - which is pretty much what Afib is too, isn&#039;t it?  Hence my reason for asking if there might be a connection...I always tell people who ask about AFib that it&#039;s nothing really wrong with the heart, but it&#039;s an electrical problem.<br />
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Any thoughts on this?  Barb]]></description>
            <dc:creator>BarbB</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 02:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Andre43</strong><br />
Interesting discussion. I didn’t realize how closely the autonomic nervous system could be linked to AFib symptoms and triggers. </div></blockquote>
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This is from an FAQ on the site written long ago: [<a href="https://www.afibbers.org/faq.htm#vagal"  rel="nofollow">www.afibbers.org</a>]<br />
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This is from the Foreward to a book on afib (&quot;Lone Atrial Fibrilation, Towards a Cure&quot;) that the site&#039;s late founder, Hans Larsen wrote over 20 years ago.  The Foreward was written by the French EP Researcher, Philppe Coumel MD.  He also talks about the autonomic nervous system &amp; afib.<br />
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&quot;Any professional who has not solved all aspects of an issue hesitates when a layman<br />
takes up the challenge, and this was my initial reaction when Hans Larsen asked me to<br />
write the foreword of this publication. I expect my contribution towards paroxysmal atrial<br />
fibrillation (PAF) management accounts for Mr Larsen&#039;s request. Although this a priori<br />
reluctancy is, in my opinion, shared just the same by other professions, physicians<br />
probably have even greater reasons due to their sophisticated practice, which often<br />
cannot be expressed in figures and where experience counts as much as knowledge.<br />
Although medicine became, with Claude Bernard, something greater than just a piece of<br />
art, it is still not 100% evidence-based. An absolute requirement when it comes to<br />
checking an expected therapeutic progress (new drug, for instance), the evidence-based<br />
approach is still, and often wrongly, implemented in highly sophisticated pathophysiology<br />
areas. The approach can even mislead physicians who rely on apparent reasoning rather<br />
than true reasoning, to the extent that true progress sometimes results from that type of<br />
mistake when it is recognized.[1]<br />
PAF is typically a situation where collecting relevant data is a difficult task knowing, in<br />
any case, that it is impossible to express the entire data in figures. Quite a few years ago,<br />
I suggested a pattern showing that cardiac arrhythmia results from the combination of<br />
three factors which can be identified anytime but hardly weighted in percentage.[2] This<br />
pattern involves a cardiac arrhythmogenic substrate, influenced by the autonomic<br />
nervous system (ANS), with a trigger starting arrhythmia. The arrhythmia may burst, as<br />
expressed by the author, into &quot;World War III&quot;, or on the contrary, remain unnoticeable.<br />
The reasons for these major variances from one patient to another, and even of PAF<br />
attacks in a patient, remain unknown. But it is a fact that the symptom is most often<br />
assessed differently by the physician and by his patient. For the patient, the symptom is<br />
the major issue whereas the physician&#039;s main concern is the potential arrhythmia-related<br />
risk, in particular stroke rather than discomfort.<br />
Physician and patient points of view may differ. A patient wanting to explore PAF<br />
pathophysiology needs specific cardiac electrophysiology and ANS qualifications and<br />
knowledge, and this is rarely the case. The patient who focuses on symptoms ignores the<br />
invisible part of the iceberg. But the patient may also doubt that his medical issue is<br />
really dealt with when medicine considers, only occasionally, his quality of life, whereas<br />
this is in fact his main concern. Physician and patient points of view complement one<br />
another, even fruitfully, depending on which parameter is involved. Very briefly, this<br />
publication shows and confirms that studying the arrhythmogenic substrate is the<br />
physician&#039;s job, studying the trigger is the patient&#039;s job, and studying the ANS is their<br />
common job.<br />
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Over the last ten years, there has been extensive research on the substrate, in particular<br />
in Europe where fundamental and clinical electrophysiological research is a core<br />
tradition, particularly in the Netherlands and France. This research led to two notions<br />
with major practical consequences: AF&#039;s self-maintained nature and the fact that AF<br />
originates, often focally, in the left atrium. This is typically the kind of progress expected<br />
from professionals and is, I must admit, perfectly understood and accounted for by Hans<br />
Larsen through his study of recent medical literature.<br />
Mr Larsen has also well understood my contribution concerning the role of ANS on the<br />
onset of PAF attacks, and the percentages he allocates in his surveys to the various<br />
vagal, adrenergic or dual forms are indeed those noticed in everyday practice. To analyze<br />
these forms, physician-patient cooperation is recommended, even if this goes against the<br />
fairly common physician attitude who prefers a patient not to be too knowledgeable, to<br />
prevent biased observations. My experience is that the most useful symptomatological<br />
details are often provided by the observations of physicians suffering themselves from<br />
PAF. All physicians do not necessarily master AF as such, but thanks to their<br />
qualifications and experience they know how to observe and analyze clinical signs. I<br />
remember the surgeon who noticed that after a stressful surgery morning the evening<br />
involved an additional vagal attack risk; until he mentioned this, I had not identified the<br />
potential role of the rebound effect. Just the same, when PAF attacks occur at the end of<br />
a week, they may often be explained by higher than usual physical activity and/or<br />
unusual physical activity, or higher alcohol consumption.<br />
These examples show how the relevance of physician-patient cooperation varies when<br />
analyzing PAF clinical signs. The cooperation is highly efficient in the search for triggers, , ,<br />
and this is one of the new and interesting points of this publication, usually not<br />
considered by physicians. To my knowledge, the survey carried out by the author directly<br />
with patients is the best researched that can currently be found in medical literature.<br />
When asked what must be done to prevent further attacks, I usually tell my patients it all<br />
depends on them and that the answer lies in their own observations. This is, in<br />
particular, the case for sports, whether on an occasional basis or with the major issue of<br />
professional training; excessive training is harmful when it exaggeratedly modifies the<br />
ANS balance beyond the sympathetic and parasympathetic physiological values.[3] It is a<br />
major mistake to think that the man in the street must be as trained and fit as the<br />
professional sportsman. Any common sense driver knows that if he wants to make his<br />
car last he must avoid handling it as a rally or Formula I driver.<br />
I feel no need to comment in detail on the therapeutic advice provided in the book, but I<br />
must make a few general remarks. Avoiding as far as possible known triggers is a<br />
requirement often treated as anecdotal. The reason may be that for physicians<br />
&quot;anecdotal&quot; is slightly deprecatory because it refers to details not covered by a general<br />
demonstrated rule. But some anecdotal observations sometimes turn out to be of great<br />
interest. For instance, the first patient who led me to describe vagally-mediated PAF was<br />
alternately in sinus rythm or AF depending on whether he was standing up or lying down.<br />
Changing the ANS balance is only possible when one of the causes of its malfunction is<br />
clearly identified, which is rare except with the athlete, or patients with hyperthyroidism<br />
or quite exceptional pheochromocytoma. In fact, the substrate is definitely the main<br />
arrhythmogenic factor of the above-defined triad and is the true therapeutic target.<br />
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As such, it seems to me this target falls mainly under the physician&#039;s role rather than the<br />
layman&#039;s. In this field, it is unsafe to rely on the too many anecdotes or beliefs, as they<br />
sometimes qualify as pure &quot;folk medicine&quot;. The issue is not to deny that an infection, or<br />
poisoning by mercury contained in dental amalgams may cause the problem, but to<br />
acknowledge that this simply cannot be demonstrated in compliance with the rules of<br />
evidence-based medicine. Which means that, within a group of randomized patients,<br />
statistical efficacy evidence of a therapeutic intervention or of no intervention (placebo),<br />
carried out on a blind basis for both the patient and physician, must be demonstrated.<br />
Who, among patients suffering from PAF, is prepared to play this game perfectly<br />
mastered by physicians and which sometimes irritates physicians themselves when they<br />
think their experience gives them the absolute truth ?<br />
Two examples in the book show how drug reputation must be confirmed by &quot;controlled&quot;<br />
therapeutic trials performed in compliance with the rules. Sotalol has long been<br />
considered a higher efficacy drug than other beta-blockers as it combines with its<br />
specific action on beta-adrenergic receptors a &quot;type III&quot; pharmacological effect suggesting<br />
&quot;amiodarone-like&quot; properties. Simply, no one had ever taken the time to compare, by the<br />
rules, sotalol and beta-blockers on the one hand, sotalol and amiodarone on the other.<br />
Recent research has demonstrated that sotalol efficacy is no higher than that of the<br />
other beta-blockers, [4] and, on the other hand, lower than that of amiodarone.<br />
Physicians can also be misled by beliefs which vary significantly from one country to<br />
another, as often noticed in Europe due to its diversity of national practices. How to<br />
explain otherwise the variances between countries in the use of such a major<br />
antiarrhythmic drug as amiodarone? This drug holds approximately a 50% share on the<br />
worldwide antiarrhythmic market, but with significant differences in use: high (probably<br />
unreasonably high…) use in France or Belgium, low (probably unreasonably low…) use in<br />
Germany, fairly balanced use in Great Britain and the Netherlands. The drug&#039;s bad<br />
reputation, on its launch in the USA more than ten years after having been launched in<br />
Europe, mainly stemmed from the prescription method requiring specific caution not<br />
complied with at the time. In fact, it is well-known now that this is the most efficient drug<br />
for treating PAF as well as nearly all other cardiac arrhythmias, but that it must only be<br />
used when the other drugs have proved inadequate. From there on, I usually say that the<br />
most serious complication of amiodarone, in case of troublesome or serious side-effect,<br />
is that the patient loses treatment benefit as, after so many years, there is still no new<br />
drug truly as efficient as amiodarone on the market. The fact that this book advises<br />
against amiodarone is just one of scientific publication drawbacks, which non-<br />
professionals may find difficult to identify or of which they simply are not informed. Just<br />
as the media sometimes tend to emphasize a single train crash rather than keep up to<br />
date with all trains arriving on time, it is much more difficult in our system to publish<br />
hundreds of no-problem cases after several years of use than to publish ten cases<br />
involving more or less serious short-term complications.<br />
All in all, patients and physicians will read this book differently, but both will find it useful.<br />
AF is such a complicated disease that no physician, including cardiologists, can pretend<br />
they know everything about its various fundamental, clinical and therapeutic aspects.<br />
Patients seeking information about their own case must realize that medicine is not an<br />
easy profession, but does attempt to take the right path, even if that path does not<br />
always turn out to be the best path. On the other hand, our increasingly evidence-based<br />
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medicine must not neglect human aspects just because they cannot be easily expressed<br />
in figures.<br />
This publication is a highly notable contribution to our knowledge about a disabling<br />
disease which can only benefit from physician-patient cooperation.<br />
Philippe Coumel, MD, FESC &quot;]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Interesting discussion. I didn’t realize how closely the autonomic nervous system could be linked to AFib symptoms and triggers. It is helpful to hear people share their experiences and what has worked for them.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Andre43</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks again, George. I will wait and see what happens during the next weeks and might go back to the Pfizer for the next shot to see whether that&#039;s still working for me. If that also triggers episodes I might just wear masks. But maybe by then the potassium healed me 😀]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Edda</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Similar with my situation. Our &#039;Nazi&#039; government (in Australia) forced us to take the spike shot in order to go to work/public places.<br />
<br />
Initially was disappointed not to get the mRNA (i swallowed all the promotional hype and half truth) so i  got the AstraZeneca but i was aware of the clotting problems resulting from it in some people so i took Eliquis to hopefully avoid blood clots.<br />
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As it turned out, after many hours of my own investigations listening to scientists/inventors of the technology and medical doctors working with patients, it was possibly a blessing i didn&#039;t get the spike shot.<br />
A few months later I refused the promoted :( mRNA booster my GP highly recommended. He refused to check me for spike antibodies (when i requested it) so i got someone else to order the lab test - as it turned out, i had antibodies which obviated the risks of an mRNA shot anyway, phew.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Edda</strong><br />
Thank you George. I took 12.5 the next evening, but felt like I usually feel after taking Flec (tired, brain fog), so I stopped and no afib since then. I never had any reaction to the Pfizer (I compared the data of my shots and the afib episodes), so this was somewhat of a surprise, especially since I was so hopeful about the potassium increase. Did you go back to the J&amp;J or get another mRNA? I am wondering whether the J&amp;J would work better for me</div></blockquote>
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I was chatting about my symptoms with a friend who has connections with a top afib center.  My friend said they were well aware of many others with similar reactions.  This led me to do a deep dive into the whole vaxx developement, regulatory and marking business.  I then made a decision to not continue to get any of them around 2022. As mentioned above, I have a relative in a nursing home who I visit multiple times a week. I&#039;ve been doing this since before I  made the decision in 2022 and have never gotten sick from anything during that time.  I&#039;m not suggesting others do what I do as my protocols are very non-standard.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thank you George. I took 12.5 the next evening, but felt like I usually feel after taking Flec (tired, brain fog), so I stopped and no afib since then. I never had any reaction to the Pfizer (I compared the data of my shots and the afib episodes), so this was somewhat of a surprise, especially since I was so hopeful about the potassium increase. Did you go back to the J&amp;J or get another mRNA? I am wondering whether the J&amp;J would work better for me]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Edda</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Looking for people w/ afib to interview</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I had a nice chat with Kenny.  I suggest that any of you that have time to help a student with an afib related assignment to PM him and set up a chat.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Ablation EP - Toronto</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Carlorea</strong><br />
Is it wishful thinking that if AFIB doesn&#039;t come back cancel the ablation.?</div></blockquote>
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Yes it is.<br />
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If you stopped the flecainide completely today and didn&#039;t experience another afib episode before next spring, I&#039;d say maybe you can put it off. But taking flecainide definitely doesn&#039;t stop afib. It only suppresses it as long as you keep taking it.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Ablation EP - Toronto</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thank you Jim.<br />
<br />
I have returned from 3 weeks vacation in Italy. The good news is that I was in NSR throughout the trip and the flights. In fact, I have been in NSR since August 4 . Since most of my episodes happened between 10:00 PM and 7:00 AM, I decided to add 25 mg of Flecainide at night in addition to the 50 mg .  Not sure if this may have paused my episodes for goods remains to be seen .<br />
I am scheduled for PFA next spring . Is it wishful thinking that if AFIB doesn&#039;t come back cancel the ablation.? <br />
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Prior to August the 4th I was getting on average 2 episodes / month, lasting from 30 minutes to a few hours.<br />
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Any thoughts ?<br />
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Carlo]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carlorea</dc:creator>
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            <title>Two Years Post PVI for Atrial Tachycardia</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I am almost exactly two years post PVI ablation.  Many of you know my story. Since my ablation in October 2024, I have had not even a single PAC.  I have recently begun to have very short episodes of SVT lasting 20-60 seconds, rates 150-160s that start and stop abruptly with dizziness.  It isn&#039;t really super concerning, although they are slightly more frequent. Is it even worth mentioning to my EP, or do I wait until they are more bothersome?  Is this a normal occurrence?  I&#039;m not really super alarmed by them but it does give me pause after all the trouble I have had.  Just curious what others have experienced late post-PVI.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>MeganMN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Allina Health?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201736,201964#msg-201964</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Can&#039;t speak to ranking, but that is where I have gone for my ablations and although the location in Minneapolis is awful, as a critical care.nurse with high expectations,.I am absolutely sold on their quality of care and have absolute trust in my EP there. We also send our patients there from the hospital that I work at and have great results/care.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>MeganMN</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 06:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Interatrial septum healimg</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201858,201963#msg-201963</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I got a post ablation migraine that lasted 6 weeks almost to the day. They attributed it to that tiny hole. The bole was still there on Echo at four weeks, and my guess is that when it completely healed at 6, that&#039;s when my headache stopped. Just anecdotal, but I was told 6 weeks and that was certainly true for me.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>MeganMN</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2026 06:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Nightmare Experience</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ No, this is not an issue for a cardiologist or EP. You said you&#039;ve been on Eliquis for six years so that&#039;s all they can do. The events are neurological symptoms so a neurologist is the person to see.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Nightmare Experience</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ The primary care does all the scans. She didn’t find anything except chronic healed ischemic stroke. She moves me onnto my opthamologist. He says. It has nothing to do with enlarged optic nerve. The cardiologist said this was a neurological event. If it has to do with afib wouldn’t that be cardiologist.? Is it time to go back to electrophysiologist? Thanks. I’m waiting for appt with neurologist. They weren’t going to give me one until I told the nurse practitioner they were all guilty of ageism. I’m 75]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2026 03:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201955,201960#msg-201960</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Carey</strong><br />
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Let&#039;s not ignore the differences of mechanisms of action between a traditional flu vaccine and the mRNA...<br />
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That&#039;s kind of a vague thing to say. I know how they both work but I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re referring to. Care to explain?</div></blockquote>
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No doubt you know the difference, Carey. <br />
Traditional vaccines deliver a given number of antigens (in different forms) for our immune system to act upon.<br />
mRNA delivers instructions for our cells to make antigens. Depending on many factors, it&#039;s not a given (limited) number,  cells make them for a period of time, also depending on several factors as to for how long and numbers.<br />
Of course, it&#039;s far more complicated and involved - adjuvants vs liquid nano particles. There are quite a few other aspects that are of concern ..<br />
 <br />
Your choice :) I stick with traditional vaccines for the time being.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201955,201959#msg-201959</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Edda</strong><br />
My question is, should I take a micro dose of Flecainide (12.5mg) for the next couple of evenings to prevent another afib episode? I think George managed his reaction to Covid vaccines like that. <br />
And now I am also reluctant to take the Flu vaccine (never got one before, but I am now 70 years old and maybe it&#039;s time), and how would I manage that? Taking Flecainide in the days before and after and how much? (Female, 110 pounds). I usually only take Flecainide as PIP when I get episodes.</div></blockquote>
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Correct, I did use 12.5 &amp; 25 mg flec doses.  I&#039;m materially heavier than you at 170#s.  I did have one acute (next morning after an afternoon shot) episode after the J&amp;J C19 vax.  However the mRNA C19 vaxes had longer lasting effects with me.  They upped my afib incidence 15x.  I hypothesized that if I stayed away in time from a booster, I could quit the chronic flec.  This turned out to be correct and the time was 8 months distant from the vax (I periodically would skip the flec and see if I got an episode).  I&#039;m 71, and like you, I&#039;ve never taken a flu vax.  I also visit a relative in a nursing home multiple times a week.  The home is commonly in &quot;outbreak status&quot; for one illness or another.  I do whatever they ask for disease transmission prevention, but never anything extra on my own (except my own health protocol).  I never get sick.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>GeorgeN</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201955,201958#msg-201958</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Joe</strong><br />
Let&#039;s not ignore the differences of mechanisms of action between a traditional flu vaccine and the mRNA...</div></blockquote>
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That&#039;s kind of a vague thing to say. I know how they both work but I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re referring to. Care to explain?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201955,201957#msg-201957</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Let&#039;s not ignore the differences of mechanisms of action between a traditional flu vaccine and the mRNA...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
            <link>https://www.afibbers.org/forum/read.php?9,201955,201956#msg-201956</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Any vaccine or illness can trigger afib. <br />
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As for the flu vaccine, if you think afib is bad wait until you experience a serious bout of flu. The last time I did was 1989, which also happens to be the last year I ever skipped a flu vaccine. I was in bed for a week, off work for two weeks, and didn&#039;t really feel 100% back to normal for a month. Never again will I miss a flu vaccine. People underestimate the flu until they get a rip roaring case of it. And at your (our) age, a case of flu like that can easily put you in the hospital. Also, should you get flu or COVID, there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll experience the joy of the disease and afib at the same time.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Carey</dc:creator>
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            <title>Can Covid vaccine trigger an afib episode?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I am on Steve Carr&#039;s potassium regimen and until last night I was doing fine (some short episodes since I started in April). So at 3 am afib woke me up - like usually I am getting my episodes at night. I am wondering whether it got triggered by the covid vaccine two days ago. I didn&#039;t have any strong reactions in the past, except for some pain and stiffness in my arm, but this time I got a fever and felt pretty bad all around. In the past I got the Pfizer, but this time I got the Moderna mNexspike. My question is, should I take a micro dose of Flecainide (12.5mg) for the next couple of evenings to prevent another afib episode? I think George managed his reaction to Covid vaccines like that. <br />
And now I am also reluctant to take the Flu vaccine (never got one before, but I am now 70 years old and maybe it&#039;s time), and how would I manage that? Taking Flecainide in the days before and after and how much? (Female, 110 pounds). I usually only take Flecainide as PIP when I get episodes.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Edda</dc:creator>
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