QuoteElizabeth If AF is terminating with severe bradycardia then the person would need a pacemaker so that the heartrate wouldn't drop too low. L That is currently the plan but need to clear a hospital aquired infection first. My concern is that there may be other options to investigate before fitting a pacemaker. Once a pacemaker is fitted that person is consigned to taking Warfarin (oby NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGeorgeN But your Cu numbers are where they should be, so why need more? Overall copper is ok but Bound Copper is low at 61% [80-95%], while Unbound Copper is high at 39% [5-20%].by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteGeorgeN So from Bredesen's perspective, I'd increase Zn not Cu, with your numbers. Yep, been doing that but still might be good to supplement a little copper sometimes to balance out the zinc. Question is what is best form of Bioavailable copper?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
QuoteCarey That's known as albuterol in the US, and yes, it can cause tachycardia and palpitations so it could possibly trigger afib. What do you mean by life threatening A/F? Afib isn't normally life threatening. Don't know exact details but from what I understand the heart rate was fluctuating between very slow and being all over the place. All I know is they made the callby NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Anyone know if Salbutamol via nebuliser can cause atrial fibrilation? It certainly seems to have been the cause of "behavioural disturbances" but I don't know if the severe (life threatening) A/F which was exterienced one day later was related to Salbutamol in any way.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Yep done those tests: Plasma Copper = 16.7 umol/L = 106.4ug/dl Zinc = 9.4 umol/L = 61.4ug/dl Serum Caeruloplasmin = 21.7mg/dl = 21700ug/dl Ratios Cu/Zn ratio = 1.73 [0.7 – 1.0] Zn/Cu ratio = 0.56 [1.3-1.0] Bound Copper (Cu bound in Caeruloplasmin) = 65.1ug/dl = 61% Free (unbound) Copper = 41.3ug/dl [5-15] = 39% [5 - 20]by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Has anyone found success by supplementing Copper? Copper: The Missing Link If so what form of Copper did you use for supplementation.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Sounds like I have been missinformed then. My understanding from what I had been told was that the Atrial Fibrillation (PVC's 30/min) was causing low blood pressure and in turn the intermittent brady/tachycardia. This made sense to us as when we managed to reduce those PVC's to zero his heart-rate became perfectly stable. Supposedly the pacemaker was going to fix the A/F. What I cby NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
It seems further to my questioning about why has was on Bisoprolol, they have now decided that it was not a good idea after all and have taken him off of it. Current plan is to insert a pacemaker to control the A/F.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Most of the time his heart rate is now steady around 60bpm, just that occasionally it skips about between 30-130 before stabilising again. It seems to be the A/F which causes that, when we got his PVC's down to zero his heart-rate stabilised and stopped jumping about.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Quotemwcf bisoprolol when his HR was 25 bpm on admission??!! Yep, I questioned that but this is the NHS for you. Everything is done in secret, if I hadn't insisted on looking at his drug chart we wouldn't have known this was being administered. Haven't been allowed to speak to his Cardiologist yet, but intending to try and find out who it is when I visit him later today.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
He was taking the following drugs: Warfarin - due to having A/F Furosemide - for water retention Apparently he is also now being given: Bisoprolol - due to Ejection Fraction of 39%by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Patient is an elderly relative, virtually 90 years old. He was hospitalised this time as was unable to walk, or even stand, had heart rate of 25bpm and temperature of 31deg. His GP said he was alright, I disagreed so arranged for him to be admitted. The Colloidal Silver was to try and get rid of an infection, sounds very crackly with fluid on the lungs. Frankinscense was an accidental dby NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Yesterday when we first visited him on the cardiac ward his heart rate was fluctuating between 30 and 130 bpm and PVC's were around 60 per min. Not sure which of these helped but we gave him half a glass of Colloidal Silver, a few drips of distilled Frankincense oil and a squirt of vitamin-E oil. Within less than an hour and a half heart rate was steadyish around 60 bpm and PVC's weby NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Have emailed Richard Schilling but no reply yet.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
INR was 4.4 at last check, heart rate is fluctuating sometimes down to 25bpm. Is it possible that the heart just doesn't like overly thin blood?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
What electrolytes are suggested and in what dosages?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
"electrolyte repletion protocols" - not seen that, where do I find that document? We are in the UK and it is looking impossible to see an EP as his regular Doctor refuses to make a referral.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Problem is all of these blood thinners are lethal, there must be something that can be done to get away from them. Warfarin causes atrial calcification and we know of too many people who have been killed by Apixaban triggered hemorrhage, what other options are there?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Problem is his GP refuses to do anything other than issue blood thinning medication. Won't entertain an Abelation, won't do a referral to either a Cardiologist or an Electrophysiologist. I wonder if it might be possible to speak to one of these Electrophysiologists to ask their advice.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
She didn't ever have any abelation as far as we are aware, just went straight to having a pacemaker fitted: Medtronic Sigma DR303, Pacing mode DDDR. The person in question is not actually myself but an elderly relative.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Is it still necessary to have a blood thinner (Apixaban) even though having a pacemaker to control the A/F? I would have thought that as the pacemaker is preventing A/F then there should be no need to keep taking Apixaban.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
An suggestions how to get to see an Electropysiologist in the UK if ones GP refuses to entertain the possibility of being able to cure A/F?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks to Gill, mwcf, Jackie and PeterO for the advice, we are prepared for an uphill struggle.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Can anyone reccommend an Electrophysiologist in UK. Also any tips on how we go about getting his GP to make the appropriate referral? Thanks,by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Thanks Jackie. He now has quite severe edema in both legs and one leg ulcer on each leg. He has spoken to his Doctor who insists these have nothing to do with taking Warfarin. We don't know what to do next.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Has anyone here found that Warfarin has caused water retention (Edema)?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Any other AFibbers in the UK willing to try the same experiment?by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Well second round of the experiment yield same positive result. All we need now is a fully equipped research lab with a mass spectrometer to identify the differences between these two.by NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM
Needs further reasearch to check this out but we have recently noticed a possible link between Atrial Fibrilation and cold sliced meats from a certain supermarket. Elderly relative (male) has A/F but we don't know any further details as unable to get to speak to a cardiologist. He is now taking Warfarin 5mg / day. He measures his blood pressure each morning and the BP monitor also indicby NickC - AFIBBERS FORUM