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Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy

Posted by Fibbin AFib 
Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 21, 2019 07:19PM
Just read this article. Seems interesting, but a little too "easy". Anyone know anything more on this?

AFib Article Link
Joe
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 21, 2019 08:18PM
Any clinical trails?
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 21, 2019 10:14PM
If I’m sticking anything in my ears for a-fib, it’s my fingers for every time I’ve heard something cockamamie with regards to the condition.

Go with science.
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 21, 2019 11:04PM
Yep, seems legit.

[www.hrsonline.org]
Joe
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 21, 2019 11:59PM
No burning heart tissue, no drug side effects - worth a try. How much is the gadget?
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 22, 2019 12:38AM
Wolfpack said:
If I’m sticking anything in my ears for a-fib, it’s my fingers for every time I’ve heard something cockamamie with regards to the condition.

Go with science.}

Many cures weren't all done by science--Sister Kenny and Polio, her treatment went against the Medical establishment--Louis Pasteur his vaccines for rabies and Anthrax, pasteurization, he had to fight the Med. establishment.

This gadget might just work, I know the Vagus nerve is a big causation of AF. I have gotten episodes of AF after eating and If I bend over compressing my stomach I can go into AF, doesn't the Vagus nerve run down your body?

L
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 22, 2019 03:42AM
Reading Johnny”s link, I would assume it would likely be more effective for those with adrenergic rather than vagal triggers.
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 22, 2019 08:46AM
If it's the same thing as I asked about a few weeks ago, then there were clinical trials involved. It certainly sounded interesting.Since my post is now over on the 2nd page, I'll repeat it here:

From MedPage, but I've been finding this on a number of sites in the past few days -
Nancy


Noninvasive vagus nerve stimulation reduced atrial fibrillation (Afib, AF) burden in paroxysmal cases, a small sham-controlled trial showed.

Low-level stimulation via a clip-on electrode at the tragus of the ear for 1 hour daily cut the percentage of time in Afib over a 2-week continuous monitoring period by a relative 85% after 6 months of treatment compared with a sham stimulation treatment with the device clipped on the earlobe (ratio of medians 0.15, 95% CI 0.03 to 0.65, baseline-adjusted P=0.011).

At 6 months, the median AF burden was 2% in the active group and 11% in the sham group, Stavros Stavrakis, MD, PhD, of the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center in Oklahoma City, reported here at the Heart Rhythm Society meeting.

Afib burden pooling monitoring periods at 3 and 6 months of treatment showed a similarly significant 75% relative reduction as did total Afib duration at 6 months (ratio of medians 0.17), "suggesting a dose-related effect," he added.

While a modest absolute difference, it would likely be worthwhile from a symptom control perspective and because of the link to stroke risk, Stavrakis suggested at a press conference.

"Our results support the emerging paradigm of noninvasive neuromodulation to treat AF," he said at the late-breaking clinical trial session.

Vagus nerve stimulation devices are FDA approved to treat certain types of epilepsy (invasively), episodic cluster headache (noninvasively), and treatment-resistant depression (invasively).

The system used in the study was originally designed to treat tinnitus.

"Further studies are required to optimize patient selection and discriminate at baseline between responders and non-responders in order to maximize the efficacy of this novel, noninvasive therapy," Stavrakis said.

The trial included 53 patients randomized to active or sham stimulation delivered from the Parasym device via a transcutaneous clip. The parameters were set at 20 Hz, 200 μs, and 1 mA below the discomfort threshold without inducing bradycardia. Monitoring was done with the Zio XT patch.

Enrollment required two or more episodes of at least 30 seconds of Afib in the 3 months prior, documented by ECG, a Holter monitor, or implanted device. Patients couldn't have low ejection fraction, significant valvular disease, a recent stroke or heart attack, severe heart failure, or recurrent vaso-vagal syncope. CHA2DS2-VASc scores averaged 3, patients had mildly dilated atria, and about half were on antiarrhythmic medication.

Adherence to the daily hour of stimulation with no more than four sessions missed per month was a statistically similar 75% in the active treatment group and 83% in the sham group. "Importantly, this adherence rate is comparable to what is seen in studies involving medical therapy," Stavrakis noted.

Heart rate variability, measured in a subset of patients, was higher with active treatment (ratio of median low-frequency to high-frequency band ratio 2.16, 95% CI 1.29 to 3.63), although no difference was seen at 6 months.

"Longest daily AF duration was no different between the two groups, suggesting tragus stimulation suppressed the initiation but had no effect once the AF episode started," Stavrakis noted.

Inflammatory cytokine TNF-alpha was a relative 23% lower with vagus nerve stimulation (P=0.0093), although other cytokines didn't differ between groups.

One patient in each group progressed to persistent Afib and had cardioversion, but there were no device-related adverse events.

Stavrakis acknowledged that the minimum effective duration needed to stimulate the tragus nerve isn't clear, although patients are more likely to adhere to something that is of shorter duration. However, it's unlikely that the treatment would need to be continuous, because human and animal studies have shown a memory effect from vagal nerve stimulation, he suggested.


The study discussant at the session, Peng-Sheng Chen, MD, of Indiana University School of Medicine in Indianapolis, pointed to a functional MRI study showing brain activation with tragus stimulation.

"Because of extensive multi-site activation and deactivation in the CNS, neural remodeling is likely the cause of the 'carry-over' effects of the tragus stimulation that suppressed AF in the remaining 23 hours of the day," he said.

At the same time, it wasn't clear whether the increased AF burden in the sham group was normal progression of AF or pro-arrhythmia, he noted.
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 23, 2019 01:19PM
The discussant Chen cited above is heavily funded by certain industry to work on implantable vagal blocking devices, for example to block stimulation in the gut. Hence the general approach applies to both adrenergic and vagal triggers. Combined with continuous monitoring of electrolytes, this seems like the forefront of medical research for paroxysmal afib. Due to the minimallyl invasive character, it would be a striking alternative to RF ablation.
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
June 23, 2019 03:25PM
Could the way forward be vagal-stimulating for adrenergically-mediated AF and vagal-blocking for vagal-mediated AF?
Am I correct in assuming this research is the former rather the latter?
Re: Article About Alternative Treatment... Seems too easy
July 01, 2019 11:56PM
I’m surprised that no one knows about this. It does seem easy but does anyone know anything about this technology. It looks to me like a tens machine you can buy on amazon for $20. I believe Dr. Stavrakis the guy behind this was actually presenting at HR conference in San Francisco a month ago, did anyone attend or has more info on this?
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