Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 01:00PM |
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colindo
Safib, you assume an ablation is an option for all of us.
I also dont believe your stroke risk goes up yearly, and thats my opinion. Which used to be allowed on this forum.
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 01:13PM |
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safib
Safib, you assume an ablation is an option for all of us.
I also dont believe your stroke risk goes up yearly, and thats my opinion. Which used to be allowed on this forum.
It is not that your annual stroke risk goes up, it's that your cumulative stroke risk goes up (cumulative meaning your risk over a period of several years). The simplest model to explain this is coin flipping with a fair coin. The probability of getting a head in one flip is 0.5. For n flips it is 1 - (1 - 0.5)^n. So the probability of getting a head in n = 2 flips is 0.75 , and the probability of getting a head in n = 10 flips is .999. If you employ the same model for stroke, where the annual stroke risk is 2%, then the cumulative stroke risk is 18.3% over 10 years. Now there are issues with the model, but it is a good choice lacking long term longitudinal data . Better models would account for some fine tuning to allow for stroke incidence occurring continuously rather than once per year, or time variation of the stroke risk, or dependency of stroke events (having one stroke would make it more likely to have another). But it wouldn't change the results much. This isn't opinion, cumulative risks go up with time and models like this are well-validated.
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 02:32PM |
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colindo
And I ask why, why is my stroke risk after 10 years now 18.3%, what has caused that.? Is it my lifestyle, maybe?
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 03:11PM |
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Carey
And I ask why, why is my stroke risk after 10 years now 18.3%, what has caused that.? Is it my lifestyle, maybe?
Your risk didn't change. What happened is math.
Stroke risk is usually stated as risk per year. So if your risk of having a stroke in one year is 2%, over the course of 10 years you incur that 2% risk 10 times. As safib explained, that risk adds up. It's not 20% because it's not simple addition, but it does add up. The answer is the risk is 18.3% that you'll have at least one stroke in a 10 year period.
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 03:14PM |
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Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 03:26PM |
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Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 05:06PM |
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colindo
And I ask why, why is my stroke risk after 10 years now 18.3%, what has caused that.? Is it my lifestyle, maybe?
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 05:19PM |
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Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener February 15, 2019 06:20PM |
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colindo
Will blood thinners stop that one stroke in 10 years?
As I said my sister is now in hospital with a stroke after being on thinners for 12 months, that is in fact true.
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener March 04, 2019 04:26PM |
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Carey
do i NEED to take this for a YEAR (at least?)
What's your afib situation? Are you having episodes? If not, when was the last one? You say you're a CHADs-Vasc 1, so that means anticoagulants are a judgement call. The biggest factor in that decision is going to be afib activity.
The other question is how long do you expect to need ibuprofen? It's not that ibuprofen is completely contraindicated; it's just that it shouldn't be taken with anticoagulants long term. I've been told by two EPs that taking it for a few days is okay, but a few weeks is not.
And, really, if it's not going to be long term, I'd go for the Norco. You won't become addicted in a few days or even weeks, and with kidney stones you might need a lot more than ibuprofen. I've seen people passing kidney stones who were in horrible pain even with morphine.
Re: Now I am really afraid to stay on Eliquis....today was an eye opener March 15, 2019 07:38AM |
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