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Patient Events
Triggered
Events: 10
Findings within ± 45 sec of Triggers:
Sinus Rhythm, Supraventricular
Ectopic beat(s), Ventricular Ectopic beat(s)
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Re: Zio results.... Huh? What? August 04, 2018 04:15PM |
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SueChef
Thanks for weighing in!
Joe, yeah, where's the a-fib?
Pompon, Murphy's Law indeed! Two days after I mailed in the Zio, I had a couple of weird episodes and sure wished I had that button to push--but it didn't *feel* like a-fib! They actually told me to not push the button for little things like if I felt PVCs.... with only one heart and no spares, anything different is NOT a little thing to me.
George, yup, I did feel something which is why I pushed the button.
Should I be worried about the 40 bpm (I was asleep, I thought 40 was too low even when sleeping!) ?
Seeing the max heart rate of 190 bpm was scary even if it was only for 8 seconds! I was probably sitting and reading a magazine, probably Good Housekeeping or something tame like that, or maybe I was at the grocery store .... it wasn't like I was skydiving or kissing "Jamie" from Outlander!
The sinus max of 136 bpm at 3:24 pm--I have no idea what I was doing at that time -- I have a big learning curve.
Thanks again for your input!!!
Sue
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Should I be worried about the 40 bpm (I was asleep, I thought 40 was too low even when sleeping!) ?
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Seeing the max heart rate of 190 bpm was scary even if it was only for 8 seconds! I was probably sitting and reading a magazine, probably Good Housekeeping or something tame like that, or maybe I was at the grocery store .... it wasn't like I was skydiving or kissing "Jamie" from Outlander!
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The sinus max of 136 bpm at 3:24 pm--I have no idea what I was doing at that time -- I have a big learning curve.
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Re: Zio results.... Huh? What? August 05, 2018 03:19AM |
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bolimasa
I'm also disappointed in my Emay monitor, as it tells me I'm in arrhythmia, but not whether it's afib... I've been trying to read my traces... but get the impression that even though I'm out of rhythm my Afib may only last for a few beats in a 30 second read. But maybe I'm wrong there too. It's confusing!
Re: Zio results.... Huh? What? August 05, 2018 11:41AM |
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So things like high heart rates... if your heart rate is only high for a couple of beats, does it really matter?
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Carey
So things like high heart rates... if your heart rate is only high for a couple of beats, does it really matter?
No, not in the least. Everyone, including people who don't have afib, will experience brief runs of tachycardia, PVCs, etc. These are meaningless, harmless and perfectly normal.
I think you're reading too much into this. Trying to analyze these reports in detail without being an electrophysiologist is mainly just a good way to create stress in your life. Your EP's interpretation of the results is what you should be paying attention to.
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Of course I do suppose the bottom line is that I'm screwed up, should get the ablation and hope for the best... but my science mind would like to be able to self interpret n bit as I think it would be helpful for me to self monitor... especially because I want to give up the anticoagulants if I have a successful ablation.
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A few examples from my report
Critical: Atrial Fibrillation Sustained (1 min) w/PVCs (1 in 1 min)/Artifact
Serious: Atrial Fibrillation RVR Sustained w/Artifact
Serious: Atrial Fibrillation RVR Sustained w/Couplet PVCs/PVSs (4 in 1 min) Artifact
Serious: Atrial Fibrillation RVR Sustained w/Run of V-Tach (3-7 Beats)/Couplet PVCs (5 in 1 Min)
Stable: Atrial Fibrillation RVR Sustained w/Run of V-Tach (3-5 Beats)/Couplet PVCs/PVC (8 in 1 Min)
Stable: Atrial Flutter with Variable Conduction
Stable: Atrial Fibrillation RVR Sustained
Stable: Atrial Fibrillation Sustained
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Of course I do suppose the bottom line is that I'm screwed up, should get the ablation and hope for the best... but my science mind would like to be able to self interpret n bit as I think it would be helpful for me to self monitor... especially because I want to give up the anticoagulants if I have a successful ablation.
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Ten or so years ago, several posters here got their own holters, they were much more expensive then. I borrowed one for a bit, but it was overkill for what I needed, so I never got one. I can do longer term monitoring with a Polar H10 strap and an app, uploading the data to analyze on my computer. It only gives me a tachogram (beat to beat HR vs time), but that was/is (though I rarely use it these days) sufficient for monitoring for 30 minutes or 8 hours for me. Depends on how much effort you want to put in.
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12-lead is too much. You'd have difficulty placing the pads if you haven't been trained how to do it properly. And even then it's kind of difficult to do on ones' own self. I wouldn't recommend anyone purchase such a technical monitor unless you're really, really motivated to learn how to use it and can justify the expense.
Kardia is the best, in my opinion. The subscription stuff to store EKGs is certainly a downside for those of use who weren't "grandfathered in" as early adopters. I'd still recommend it, though, with the caveat that you just have to remember to email yourself a copy of each trace that you want to keep or otherwise print it out right away.
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Now if I could only parse out the useful information... like when I'm actually in afib vs not afib arhythmia. That is where I'm having a hard time,
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Now if I could only parse out the useful information... like when I'm actually in afib vs not afib arhythmia. That is where I'm having a hard time,
Re: Zio results.... Huh? What? August 08, 2018 06:32PM |
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To expand, the R waves are the “tops” of the QRS complexes (the “big spikes”). Each little box on the EKG trace in the X (horizontal) direction is 40 ms (milliseconds). There are 5 “little” boxes in one “big” box, making the “big” box 200 ms, or 0.2 seconds. Just remember that and it’s pretty easy to count them up.
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Carey
You're probably over analyzing this. I think what you posted above is bursts of PACs and maybe very short runs of afib, but what does it matter in the end? PACs cause symptoms too, so whether it's PACs or brief runs of afib isn't really a useful distinction. I think most EPs would look at that, shrug, and ask you if you felt symptoms.
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bolimasa
If it doesn't often bother me, and PACs don't matter, and if I only AFib for a couple beats at time, do I really need blood thinners? Do I really need to be considering an ablation?
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bolimasa
To expand, the R waves are the “tops” of the QRS complexes (the “big spikes”). Each little box on the EKG trace in the X (horizontal) direction is 40 ms (milliseconds). There are 5 “little” boxes in one “big” box, making the “big” box 200 ms, or 0.2 seconds. Just remember that and it’s pretty easy to count them up.
I get the basic waves... but what I don't get is telling arrhythmia from Afib...
My monitor says arrhythmia most of the time... A trace often looks like this, where I'm partially in rhythm (evenly spaced with P waves)for 3 or more beats, then I get some little runs of 2-5 closely spaced beats where I don't see the P wave, but don't really see fibrillations either. Are those regions a few quicker beats afib or some other arrhythmia like PACs? Sometimes I see things that are I think, clearly afib, but most of traces are similarish to this one:
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To expand, the R waves are the “tops” of the QRS complexes (the “big spikes”). Each little box on the EKG trace in the X (horizontal) direction is 40 ms (milliseconds). There are 5 “little” boxes in one “big” box, making the “big” box 200 ms, or 0.2 seconds. Just remember that and it’s pretty easy to count them up.
I get the basic waves... but what I don't get is telling arrhythmia from Afib...
My monitor says arrhythmia most of the time... A trace often looks like this, where I'm partially in rhythm (evenly spaced with P waves)for 3 or more beats, then I get some little runs of 2-5 closely spaced beats where I don't see the P wave, but don't really see fibrillations either. Are those regions a few quicker beats afib or some other arrhythmia like PACs? Sometimes I see things that are I think, clearly afib, but most of traces are similarish to this one:
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You are getting PAC “storms” and are on the cusp of a-fib. Unless Murphy’s Law doesn’t apply to you, it’ll only progress. The good news is you have time to contemplate a decision.
I over-analyze everything, too. Tenacity is an asset when it comes to AF (and health in general). Don’t apologize for that!
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No problem, but fact check me. I probably got some stuff wrong there! Typed it pretty fast. The Khan videos are really well done, though. If you have an hour or two, watch them all. Maybe take a break in between so your brain doesn't swell, but you'll come out in the end with a really good basic intro to cardiac electrophysiology. I find that some doctors will open up a bit more and spend more time with you once you cross their idiot threshold. Knowledge is power.
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Thanks, Wolfpack, for those explanations.
(I'll not die stupid).
I agree about the magnesium: it helps, even if it does not prevent afib. It's the supplement I'm sure I've better carry on taking. It gives me better sleep and eases my bowels.
I've just received betaine HCl. It's something I've not yet tried. I hope it'll help my stomach. My afib episodes are always coupled with stomach uneasiness.
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