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Raise cholesterol levels to where they should be instead of producing unnatural drug induced low levels, and toss the aspirin out the window.
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Aspirin, it still works
“Second, clinical trials of aspirin have already been performed in patients with Alzheimer’s disease. The drug had no beneficial effects on outcome measures and was associated with an increased risk of gastrointestinal hemorrhage.”
Doesn't seem to work for preventing strokes, either
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Then why do doctors recommend aspirin after a person has a heart attack? My mother was on Coumadin and had bleeding from her gastrointestinal. The truth is most drugs suck and have side effects, so I guess we pick our poison.
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While it can provide relief from pain and certainly, if one thinks they may be having a stroke, some advocate for taking aspirin immediately. However, it’s important to be aware of the many studies indicating the risks of aspirin usage.
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Carey - The mentioning of raising cholesterol undoubtedly came from the findings that those with higher cholesterol and aging... tend not to have the problems with Alzheimer's dementia that can be common with very low cholesterol levels.
The advocates for higher levels of the good cholesterol, HDL, have been indicating for several years now why 'cholesterol is not the enemy' but the good kind is essential for brain health... so rather than using the aspirin with its many other negative effects, cholesterol along with healthy fats in the diet are brain sparing.
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I've long been convinced that the war on fats is the biggest man-made public health disaster of the 20th century.
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Aspirin can easily be replaced by several supplements, but hey to each his own.
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. It's also not counterfeited, nor contaminated with heavy metals and pesticides Chinese factories don't bother screening for in supplements.
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and it has very well known properties
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"Founded in 1968, Now Foods is one of the country's most respected names in healthy living supplements. Located in Bloomingdale, Illinois, Now's state-of-the art, 209,000 square-foot facility manufactures more than 900 unique items, all priced affordably"
Just bought some policosanol
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Carey, you can count on pharm to be pure and thinking of you.
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What I expect is drug manufacturers to meet FDA manufacturing requirements
I repeat my primary question a third time: What makes supplements better than aspirin?
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Aspirin can easily be replaced by several supplements, but hey to each his own.
What makes supplements better than aspirin? Aspirin is arguably every bit as "natural" as any "supplement," and it has very well known properties. It's also not counterfeited, nor contaminated with heavy metals and pesticides Chinese factories don't bother screening for in supplements.
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debate here. I can believe the ER offering to heart attack patients, but does a standing dose really provide any appreciable benefit for afib or stroke risk?
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With all these modern wonderful meds, why are we bothering with cheap 2000 yr old salicylates?
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Gosh Carey, I dont know, maybe due to the fact that meds are responsible for over 100,000 deaths in hospitals yearly? Dont mean to be contentious here, but I would just be guessing that chewing on willow bark tho not convenient, would be different than chewing on an aspirin.Quote
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I think that medicine truly derived from plants or flowers would be substantially different than ones synthetically manufactured in the test tubes.
What makes you think that?
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Gosh Carey, I dont know, maybe due to the fact that meds are responsible for over 100,000 deaths in hospitals yearly? Dont mean to be contentious here, but I would just be guessing that chewing on willow bark tho not convenient, would be different than chewing on an aspirin.
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Carey - the "notion" isn't a fallacy...there is factual evidence in the literature confirming many drugs have far more safety issues than similar natural compounds.
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True, but nobody said that. Jackie is taking Eliquis.
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Another problem is the drugs themselves...frequently very little is known about them, particularly given all the generics that have their own fillers.
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I totally agree that getting nutrients from food is the way to go - when possible. But, a lot of toxins come from foods too.
Food quality varies and some may not offer optimal nutritional value and also, if not US certified organic, there's the added burden of pesticide residues.
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And that is of course a wise and healthy concern, and not only supplements but toxins in some meds and our food. Not that "natural" supplements are safer, but I do find them to be without many of the side effects of meds. The premise is same for same in alternative and opposite healing for meds. Granted I do convert nicely on Flec and Metop within an hour vs several hours on supplements. Meds do work as they were intended with side effects. Treating my whole person takes months to prove.Quote
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Gosh Carey, I dont know, maybe due to the fact that meds are responsible for over 100,000 deaths in hospitals yearly? Dont mean to be contentious here, but I would just be guessing that chewing on willow bark tho not convenient, would be different than chewing on an aspirin.
The only difference between taking an aspirin and chewing willow bark would be predictability of the dosage. I know how to avoid overdosing on aspirin but I don't know how to avoid overdosing on willow bark. I also don't know why you think that chemicals extracted from plants are safer than chemicals extracted from other sources. The plant kingdom produces some impressively toxic chemicals. And above all, since supplements aren't required to meet purity standards, I don't know how to avoid unscrupulous manufacturers who produce supplements tainted with heavy metals and other toxins. It's not like there's a shortage of examples of that.
The whole notion that "natural" supplements are safer than medications in general is a fallacy.
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jpeters... you missed the point... I was asking if the certification process for labeling of Non-GMO food was corrupt and not reliable. There is science behind the 'built in' problems with genetically modified organisms and that's not related to pesticides residues.
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