Vitamin D/Mg Regimen

What's the target (how much to take), what form to take, when to take?
BEWARE
An acute increase in vitamin D, especially if in combination with calcium, can be problematic in the presence of low magnesium. Vitamin D facilitates the intestinal absorption of magnesium but especially calcium. The latter will give negative feedback inhibition to tone down the actions of vitamin D => even less absorption of Mg. LAFers should be all too familiar with the undesirability of this. On the other hand the increase in calcium facilitated by the increase in vitamin D can also be problematic for LAFers, as Steve Carr has well described.
I should add that there is an additional trepidation for LAFers upon increasing vitamin D intake - hypoglycemia.
Most diabetics, type I and type II, are low in vitamin D and magnesium.

Finger on figure for full figure (it’s a tongue twister, say it quickly).
LAFers are generally tall and thin
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and will probably respond to vitamin D‘s insulin sensitizing effect with a slight drop in blood glucose. Many years ago before my ablation skipping breakfast with only a pastry put me at risk for an episode.
So always listen to your body.
However, if you have constipation, muscle cramps, muscle twitches, palpitations, migraines,..., then you are probably magnesium deficient.
How much Mg to take?

RDA for Mg is a bit more rational than that for vitamin D.

I take a daily total of 500 mg of elemental magnesium (am and pm doses) as glycinate, citrate, and threonante - no problem.
Note that this is elemental Mg. Look at your bottle label to compute elemental Mg per pill. Does it say amount per serving? You must divide the amount per serving by serving size. Does it say magnesium glycinate or citrate or does it say magnesium (as glycinate or ...). The latter gives you the elemental Mg per serving. For the former you have to determine the weight of the compound and the portion represented by Mg alone.
For example magnesium citrate has a compound weight of 198 but magnesium is only 24 of this. So, a 250 mg serving (serving size of 2) would yield only about 1/8 of 125 or about 16mg of elemental Mg

What form of Mg to take?


When to take Mg?

Magnesium is not fat soluble and need not be taken with a meal (unlike vitamin D), but absorption is nonetheless better with a meal.
What’s the target for vitamin D?

Depends on who you believe.




So, what level is a good target?

From the below two graphs it looks like 40ng/ml provides dramatic COVID-19 protection from ordinary disease on the front end and from ordinary death on the hind end.


How much vitamin D over and above the RDA depends on many factors, but especially on weight and skin pigmentation.



What about the natural (solar/UV source of vitamin D





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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/03/2020 05:54PM by PC, MD.

Thank you PC for all the excellent Vitamin D info you’ve offered on this topic!

As I learned many years ago, it’s not uncommon to be low in Vitamin D when living in areas where
sun exposure is limited during the Fall and winter months. I’ve posted my story numerous times and
the main point is the importance of testing. Until I was in the care of a holistic MD and Vit D was tested for
the first time, I suffered with symptoms of muscle pain and fatigue which were ‘assumed’ to be various
types of arthritis. I was referred to a Rheumatologist who ordered a muscle biopsy (no definitive diagnosis);
yet I was prescribed various meds that did nothing because the true etiology wasn’t revealed.

When the holistic MD testing revealed a 25 OHD level of 18 ng/ml, I was prescribed vitamin D and as I have reported,
I began to notice minor relief and/or improvement around the 32 ng/ml level …. Which continued to increased over time.
When I reached 65 ng/ml…which took quite a bit of time, we had positive proof that my muscle weakness
and pain was caused by Vitamin D deficiency. (Yet no physician (including specialists) thought to order the Vit. D. test.)
Additionally, none of the physicians consulted challenged the protocol for using supplemental calcium that was standard
advice at the time for menopausal women… and I’m sure that contributed to my onset AF I had at age 59… along with
a low ExaTest result for intracellular magnesium. Once I stopped the Ca and increased Mg significantly, the increasing
AF events went from frequent to very limited…but it didn’t totally stop, so I proceeded to have the first ablation.

It’s important when taking vitamin D to also balance that with Vitamin K2 in the MK7 form (menaquinone 7). This helps
direct circulating calcium into bones and not in soft tissues causing problems such as arterial calcifications or bone spurs.

I learned about this when I was researching alternatives for warfarin as a blood thinner for Afibbers. Back then, warfarin was the common choice as the NOACs hadn’t yet entered the scene. I connected with Ralph Holsworth, DO, who was using nattokinase on his patients and introducing it here in the US. He directed me to learn more from the website of the University of Maastricht, Netherlands and, specifically, the PhD researchers Leon Schurgers and Cees Vermeer and I began using Dr. Holsworth’s nattokinase product from NZymeCeuticals. At the time, there were video/webinars by Dr. Shurgers which were very informative and reassuring.

The side benefit of optimizing my Vit. D levels besides freedom from muscle pain has kept me cold and flu free for many years… In over 25 years, I’ve only had a couple colds and a couple bouts of flu… and that was early on in the new supplementing protocols.

I also take 2 gel caps of Vitamin K2 MK7 or 180 mcg (by Jarrow ) along with the 10,000 iu. daily of Vitamin D3 in winter and half that, in the summer months. I have fair skin, subject to sunburn so over the years, have limited my sun exposure to avoid the issues of skin damage and the skin cancer.

As a side note, About 8 years ago, my Primary Care physician was promoted and I was in the care of a new MD. When I asked if she thought I needed to continue the annual bone density scans at my age, since the results had remained so positive for so many years, she did a little ‘victory dance’ when she checked the results and said no need to continue as long as my Vit D. dosing habits remained constant.

Hopefully, my arteries are also responding as well to the appropriate processing and benefits of vitamin D/MK7.

Again - Thanks PC for emphasizing this important topic about Vitamin D and Mg.

Jackie




Clips mentioning the use of nattokinase enzymes:

[townsendletter.com]

[highintensityhealth.com]

[www.cardiokinase.com]

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